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Tanypteryx
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Message 1156 of 1197 (909175)
03-29-2023 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1154 by Dredge
03-29-2023 12:33 AM


Re: Typical?
Sludge writes:
Lame. So when scientists discuss the evolution of novel body plans and organs, you've got idea what they're talking about?
No, when you talk about novel body plans and organs I don't know what you mean and you don't seem to ever have an answer. The only people I ever hear talking about novel body plans and organs are young earth creationists like you.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Dredge
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Message 1157 of 1197 (909180)
03-29-2023 1:56 AM
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03-29-2023 12:42 AM


Re: Typical?
Taqo writes:
The only people I ever hear talking about novel body plans and organs are young earth creationists like you.
Wow, in that case, you're an ignoramus who's read nothing about the evolutionary history of life on earth. Without the (alleged) evolution of novel body plans and organs, there would be nothing for evolutionary scientists to write about!!
Pray tell, how did the first life-forms (allegedly bacteria) evolve into all the other life-forms without the evolution of novel body plans and organs?
There would be literally thousands of scientific papers and articles published that discuss the evolution of novel body plans and organs. Here are just a few:
The Evolutionary Origins of Body Plans (Chapter 7) - Understanding Evo-Devo
The Evolution of Complex Organs | Evolution: Education and Outreach | Full Text
Origins of the other metazoan body plans: the evolution of larval forms - PMC
https://www.sciencedirect.com/...ticle/pii/S0960982219305342
https://www.sciencedirect.com/...ticle/pii/S1567133X19302054
JSTOR: Access Check

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1158 of 1197 (909188)
03-29-2023 11:03 AM
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03-29-2023 1:56 AM


Re: Typical?
Sludge writes:
There would be literally thousands of scientific papers and articles published that discuss the evolution of novel body plans and organs.
And I note that YOU still haven't described a single novel body plan or organ. Novel implies something completely new and unlike anything prior.
Evolutionary processes do not produce novel body plans or organs in a single generation (which is the strawman you are implying), that's something that an ignoramus creationist would believe.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Taq
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Message 1159 of 1197 (909193)
03-29-2023 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1157 by Dredge
03-29-2023 1:56 AM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
Wow, in that case, you're an ignoramus who's read nothing about the evolutionary history of life on earth. Without the (alleged) evolution of novel body plans and organs, there would be nothing for evolutionary scientists to write about!!
Name a novel body plan and novel organs.
There would be literally thousands of scientific papers and articles published that discuss the evolution of novel body plans and organs. Here are just a few:
There's your evidence. Go read up.

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Taq
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Message 1160 of 1197 (909194)
03-29-2023 11:47 AM
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03-28-2023 12:09 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
An atheist's favourite bedtime story ... UCD and how neo-Darwinian mechanisms produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
Those are scientific theories, not stories. Is name calling all you have? Are you 5 years old?

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Message 1161 of 1197 (909206)
03-29-2023 1:47 PM
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03-29-2023 11:47 AM


Re: Typical?
Are you 5 years old?
Tragically, his problems are much worse. He eats stale crackers with 2000 year-old jesus meat. His mind is lost to reality.

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Dredge
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Message 1162 of 1197 (909251)
03-30-2023 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Taq
03-29-2023 11:47 AM


Re: Typical?
Taqo writes:
Those are scientific theories, not stories.
I love your sense of humour!

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Dredge
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Message 1163 of 1197 (909253)
03-30-2023 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1159 by Taq
03-29-2023 11:46 AM


Re: Typical?
Taqo writes:
Name a novel body plan and novel organs.
Ever heard of the Cambrian explosion?

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AZPaul3
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Message 1164 of 1197 (909256)
03-30-2023 10:33 AM
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03-30-2023 10:09 AM


Re: Typical?
I don't think Cambrian explosion is a body plan or a novel organ. It's a time period that lasted some 30 million years.

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Taq
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Message 1165 of 1197 (909257)
03-30-2023 10:42 AM
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03-30-2023 10:09 AM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
Ever heard of the Cambrian explosion?
Name a novel body plan and novel organs.

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Taq
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Message 1166 of 1197 (909258)
03-30-2023 10:43 AM
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03-30-2023 10:07 AM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
I love your sense of humour!
So you are 5 years old.

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sensei
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Message 1167 of 1197 (909571)
04-06-2023 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1092 by Taq
03-17-2023 10:56 AM


Re: Typical?
Thanks for pointing this out.
I thought the major argument for common ancestry was that we have so much of our DNA in common with different species that appear to be very different, including plants and such.
So it turns out that we actually don't.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1168 of 1197 (909574)
04-06-2023 1:49 AM
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04-06-2023 1:08 AM


Re: Typical?
So it turns out that we actually don't.
Don't you think that 40-50% of your genome shared with onion qualifies as "that we have so much of our DNA in common with different species"?
Half seems rather substantial unless you are trying to force a specific conclusion from loose syntax.
"that we have so much of our DNA in common with different species" seems to indicate we are talking about more than one gene. I would suggest half your genome is a rather large and significant portion to share with other organisms.
So it turns out, yes, we do in fact share significant portions of our genome with plants and such strongly evidencing common ancestry quite pointedly.
[abe]
Have a look at the genes we share in the onion genome. What do those genes do? Why are they the same genes we share with not just onion but most of multi-cellular life? Common ancestry through evolution provides and clear answer as to why.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 1169 of 1197 (909576)
04-06-2023 4:10 AM
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03-30-2023 10:43 AM


ONLY THE new ID could explain
Only the new ID could explain the correct explanation of Gravity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6Tqr02ENQ&lc=UgywRafvDY...

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Message 1170 of 1197 (909595)
04-06-2023 11:18 AM
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04-06-2023 4:10 AM


Re: ONLY THE new ID could explain
I watched the video.
It is a steaming pile of horse manure.
This is probably the most confused and garbled "explanation" of general relativity that I have ever seen.
I suggest treating it as comedy.

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