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Author Topic:   What is a Liberal, and What is a Conservative?
Phat
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Message 248 of 254 (909535)
04-05-2023 5:36 PM


Reexamining an old topic
quote:
Conservatives generally believe:
Smaller Government
Not as many socialist programs
Right to bear arms
Lower Taxes
Bigger Military
Pro life
Pro Business (Freemarket Capitalism without much Govt Interference)
Religeous/Family Values

Liberal's Genearally believe:
Larger Government
Redistribution of Wealth from the producers to non-producers
Gun Restrictions
Higher Taxes
Smaller Military
Pro Choice
More Govnt Regulation of Business
Proponents of Gay rights

In a nutshell.

*EDIT* Pulled this off of a website

Conservative:
* Government control of the economy should be minimal. Equal opportunity and legal business practice should be guaranteed though. (Fiscal/Economic)
* Strong moral definitions should be held. Strict criminal law and sentencing are necessary. Freedom and rights cannot be compromised. A strong emphasis is placed on the individual (Moral/Social)

Libertarian:
** Government control of the economy should be minimal. (Fiscal/Economic)
* As long as actions do not harm others, they should be legal. Freedom and rights cannot be compromised (Moral/Social)

Moderate:
- The moderate tends to stand with different groups on an issue-to-issue basis. Some moderates have strong leanings in regard to certain ideologies in partial areas such as moral conservatism and economic liberalism.

Liberal:
* Strong government involvement and regulation of the economy. Redistribution of wealth and strict regulation of business by the government. (Fiscal/Economic)
* As long as actions do not harm others, they should be legal. Loose Constitutional interpretation. Society is emphasized. (Moral/Social)
The old posts in this topic provide further definitions. In today's politically divided world, we all need to determine just where we stand.

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Phat
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Message 250 of 254 (909539)
04-05-2023 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
08-29-2004 8:14 PM


My Political Compass
The Political Compass
quote:
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
Im not sure what to make of my score, but I was being honest.

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Phat
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Message 251 of 254 (909540)
04-05-2023 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Theodoric
04-05-2023 5:46 PM


Re: Reexamining an old topic
It requires too much thought and stresses me out. I'm trying to relax on my day off...not to get anxiety.

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Phat
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Message 253 of 254 (909578)
04-06-2023 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by xongsmith
04-06-2023 7:05 AM


Re: My Political Compass
One article at this website gave me pause to think about what sort of animal we have become in the US compared to the rest of the world.
German and US Conservatives have Little In Common
The Political Compass:
While Conservatives in the US equate public provision of healthcare as ‘socialism’, in Germany, and most other western democracies for that matter, mainstream conservative parties — like their left wing opponents — see healthcare as the right of every citizen. The supreme irony is that it costs each taxpayer a good deal less than what Americans shell out for so little in return.(...) Germany, incidentally, has an incarceration rate that is less than a tenth of that in the US, and boasts a far more humane system, oriented more towards rehabilitation than punishment. The jails are run entirely by the state in Germany, where private for-profit prisons are widely seen as an abhorrent idea.
Conservative Americans might also assume that their German political namesakes are against gay marriage. To the contrary, a poll shows that 73 percent of Conservative voters are for it, and it has been legalized.(...) Then what about abortion? It’s available in ‘Conservative’ Germany during the first three months of pregnancy. Then surely Germany’s ‘Conservative’ chancellor has opposed immigration? To the contrary, she welcomed well over a million Muslim refugees in a single year.
Right across the board — minimum wage, trade union rights, generous sick pay, at least 5 weeks paid holiday, free childcare and so on — Germany’s Conservatives have little in common with those of the US. Indeed Angela Merkel has been generally well to the left of Elizabeth Warren and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. (...)After 16 years of Conservative-led government, the top basic tax rate in Germany stands at 45 percent — an unconscionable figure for most US conservatives. But it’s still a far cry from the 91 percent top earners’ bracket reached during the presidency of Dwight Eisenhower. That was a time before liberal Republicans became an extinct species; when conservatives in the US and Germany would have sat more closely together on The Political Compass.

Maybe now I see why you are so anti-Republican, Xongsmith. We have a lot of work to do here in the US.

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