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marc9000
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Message 1159 of 1184 (909381)
04-01-2023 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1157 by xongsmith
04-01-2023 10:44 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Face it, Marc - the average plane passenger is not likely to be trained enough and skilled enough and smart enough to even carry a gun anywhere.
Probably not. Maybe that should change.

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Message 1163 of 1184 (909402)
04-02-2023 6:05 PM


First 5 minutes - sometimes the clowns, in between joking, can speak some very plain truths.

  
marc9000
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Message 1164 of 1184 (909439)
04-03-2023 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1162 by Percy
04-02-2023 9:40 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
If the mainstream media knew it was a lie that a policeman was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher then of course that was wrong, but why would they report a lie as being true since obviously if they know it's a lie then others know it's a lie and it will eventually be revealed that they lied? Doesn't make sense.
Others seldom know it's a lie. ABC World News Tonight doesn't retract anything. A lot of their base still believe that policeman was beaten to death by Trump supporters. If they ever do correct themselves. it takes 10 or 15 seconds in one newscast and it's done, then back to their regular "reporting". Many people still believe there is sufficient evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016.
...and I do not remember the mainstream media reporting possible Russian/Trump campaign collusion as a fact. They did report a lot of facts, like the Trump Tower meeting with Russians and the many communications between former Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. But I don't recall them reporting as fact Trump/Russian collusion.
I've never noticed them using the term "fact". They reported Trump/Russian collusion with the same sensationalism as they did with Trump Tower meetings and alllllll the other dirt they dug up on Trump, both real and imagined.
The Mueller report said that the strong appearance of collusion was because the goals of the Russians and the Trump campaign were in alignment but that they were only fellow travelers rather than colluders. It also reported likely obstruction of justice offenses by Trump and his campaign that were they pursued would result in additional information coming to light that could impact the conclusions about collusion.
So they couldn't come up with quite enough evidence, and it probably happened, but they just let it go. The implication was pretty strong. Much of their base bought it.
The founders would be horrified at the carnage caused by easily available weaponry and immediately seek to amend the second amendment.
That's your opinion, mine is that the founders would be horrified at the carnage RECRUITED by the sensationalism in today's multi-million dollar news media, and would seek to reword and amend the first amendment. ABC actually slipped up just this evening, and admitted that this most recent shooter referred to and copied actions of past shooters. That was all they said. Chances are when the police entered her home after the shooting, they found references there (news clippings, video, etc) that proved it. That didn't stop ABC from continuing to show more pictures of her just tonight, pictures of her in the school, etc. And they probably will tomorrow night. Future shooters are taking notes. Did you watch the first 5 minutes of the video I showed above? Gutfeld has pictures and descriptions that he put together in a very concise way, much better than I can, since he has access and staff that I don't have. For me to attempt to do it wouldn't pay much.
I think terrorism originating from places like Afghanistan, Iran, Syria and so forth, is a very real threat, but not invasion. None of them have significant navies, Afghanistan's possibly being non-existent.
But all of them, if asked the question, "Would you rather see the U.S. public remain armed, or disarmed by its government?", you and I know what their answer would be.
Conspiratorial thinking does seem to dominate conservative thought. The 2020 election was stolen, Sandy Hook was faked, the Democrats are running a Satanic pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor basement, Nancy Pelosi's husband attacker was actually his gay lover, and so on.
Of course it goes both ways. The 2016 election was stolen, Republicans want climate change, fossil fuel use by Republicans will kill us all in 10 years, it's a "ticking time bomb". Trump paid off a hooker with his own money, border agents whipping poor illegals with reigns, kids in cages on the border only a problem when a Republican is president, on and on.

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marc9000
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Message 1166 of 1184 (909501)
04-04-2023 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by Percy
04-04-2023 8:28 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
I'm not going to be your fact checker, Marc.
My dream was that, in response to my posts, you'd employ knowledge from multiple sources of news, so you'd have a better idea of what's ACTUALLY GOING ON around you. But I guess not.
marc9000 writes:
Did you watch the first 5 minutes of the video I showed above? Gutfeld has pictures and descriptions that he put together in a very concise way, much better than I can, since he has access and staff that I don't have. For me to attempt to do it wouldn't pay much.

No, I didn't watch any of it.
Of course you didn't - you know all about your perception of Fox News "lies", yet you don't watch it.
From the Forum Guidelines:
Uh oh, the forum guidelines card is being played. You might want to work on that poster from Message 1123, who put up nothing but a cartoon picture in that message.

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marc9000
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Message 1169 of 1184 (909565)
04-05-2023 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1168 by Percy
04-05-2023 9:49 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
...legitimate news media. The Washington Post and New York Times..
But you're perfectly within your right to defend Fox News, so why don't you go ahead.
I can't right now, I just can't.
But what I'd like to do, in the future as an obligation I somehow feel to do what I can to slow the eventual demise of this dying forum, is what I did in Message 306- to rescue the Biden Presidency thread which you started, from (that time) 8 months worth of crickets. When something happens in the Biden presidency that the supreme beings at the NYT or WAPO somehow miss, I'll make it clear in my own words, with multiple links to confirm it, so that I'll dare not break any forum rules, and I'll MAKE SURE not to do it next April 1st, when forum rules are suspended for a day. Then we'll see which one of the two possible reactions happen, A) It will be almost completely ignored, like that one was, or B) I'll get called a barrage of vulgar names. It'll be fun!

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marc9000
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Message 1173 of 1184 (909621)
04-06-2023 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by Percy
04-06-2023 8:46 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Sure you can. You need only explain why the discovery phase of the Dominion proceedings didn't reveal exactly what it looks like, Fox News airing whatever enables it to keep and gain viewers without regard to truth, accuracy, honesty and integrity.
I'm not interested in the Dominion circus. Fox News has been on the air since 1996, if this is its first big lawsuit, it's done very well. The NY Times has been sued for its lies countless times for the past 100 years. I'll detail some NY Times history in the next message.
I've been saying we're dying for years now, but look at it this way. Where's MySpace? Where's Napster?
Where's Digg? Where's AltaVista, WebCrawler, Lycos and Infoseek (search engines)? Nothing lasts forever, but EvC Forum began in 2001 and for now it's still here, having outlasted probably 99% of the other websites that were alive in 2001.
You've done well! These types of discussion forums were great fun for a lot of people 20 years ago, but 5 to 10 years ago their popularity started to fade. There were a lot more posters and discussions here back when I joined 13 years ago. Maybe if you still enforced forum rules evenly like you did back then, it would all be over by now. Letting the far lefties reign free - letting them insult and troll out conservative posters might be good for the forums health. I'd only like to contribute by not letting the Biden thread sit unused, should help give them yet one more thing to rage about.
Marc, I'm only reminding you about the Forum Guidelines. I have no enforcement powers here because I'm a participant.
Isn't "reminding" me, a part, however small, of enforcement? Why don't you remind Theodoric?
I *did* respond to your Message 306.
Very briefly, without responding to much of what it said.
I endorsed finding and punishing wrongdoing. If any of the things Comer said turn out to be true then I hope they investigate and indict, but Comer's recent record on truth and accuracy has been on par with Fox News.
And you learned that from the NY Times? Have you ever actually seen him speak?
Not sure if anybody but Fox News allows hardly any Republican to speak, so the public can decide for themselves.
I'm socially liberal and financially conservative,
The two don't go together. Social liberalism requires money.
But my political neutrality...
That's a good one, I love this place!!
... doesn't mean sticking my head in the sand. There are obvious differences between legitimate news media and Fox News. One exchanges lies for ratings, the others don't.
You're about to learn something about the NY Times.
Boy, you sure turn into a sourpuss when a joke goes over your head. My post was just one in a sequence of six consecutive April Fool's Day posts,
I referenced more than just your April 1st messages. I also referenced Message 1123. That one was on January 28th. A picture with NONE of your own words.

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marc9000
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Message 1174 of 1184 (909622)
04-06-2023 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1172 by Percy
04-06-2023 10:09 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Here's a New York Times article about the descent of Fox News into sensationalistic lies: How Fox Chased Its Audience Down the Rabbit Hole. It's sub-headline:
I can't read there without giving them my email address. No can do.
quote:
New York Times:
Rupert Murdoch built an empire by giving viewers exactly what they wanted. But what they wanted — election lies and insurrection — put that empire (and the country) in peril.
Aaaaand the NY Times built an empire for over 100 years, by giving its readers exactly what they wanted. liberal propaganda. They've been sued many times over the past 100 years, and have been caught in lies many times in those 100 years. I can't believe they're so dense that they don't realize that by attacking Fox News they're drawing attention to themselves.
List of controversies involving The New York Times - Wikipedia
quote:
The New York Times has been involved in many controversies since its foundation in 1851. It is one of the largest newspapers in the United States and the world,[1] and is considered to have worldwide influence and readership.[2][3] It has been accused of Antisemitism,[4][5] bias,[6][7][8] and playing a notable role in influencing the Iraq War due to its misleading coverage of Saddam Hussein.
Putting the U.S. in peril, anyone?
quote:
In September 1996, the Times released a statement admitting to "underplaying the Holocaust while it was taking place" and that "[c]lippings from the paper show that the criticism is valid."[23]
Putting the U.S. in peril, anyone? Is this enough of my own words to satisfy forum guidelines?
https://www.amazon.com/...ked-Ashley-Rindsberg/dp/1736703307
There's even a book on the NY Times. Any books in the works for Fox News, that will be this thick?
How the New York Times publishes lies to serve a biased narrative
quote:
The “fabrications and distortions” he found in the Times’ coverage of major stories from Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia to Vietnam and the Iraq War “were never the product of simple error,” Rindsberg contends.
“Rather, they were the byproduct of a particular kind of system, a truth-producing machine” constructed to twist facts into a pattern of the Times’ own choosing, he says.
They do all this for the same reasons you accuse Fox of having. Some news sources lean right, others lean left. Their reasoning is the same. Ratings and money. There are charts in many places on the net that show the political leanings of different news outlets, Fox News is no different than any other. The NY Times attacking Fox is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.
You invited me some time back to start a "news media" thread. That could be a possibility now, considering all this new shrieking about Fox News. This one message of mine could pretty well cover it however. I'm done now until after Easter, but next week that could happen if you'd like to go into it deeper. Problem is, I'm not in the mood to have a new thread wrecked by all these trolls. Several of them don't contribute a thing to the discussion, and routinely break rule #s 4, 5, 8, and especially #10.
If you let the trolls reign free, I'm out. Could be fun though, I haven't even checked into the Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN yet. .

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