Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2

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Atheism has its fair share of fundamentalist nut jobs as well ... although I prefer to call them fruit-cakes.

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Atheists tend to be rational so that's unlikely, but whatever the proportion, your comment is irrelevant.

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Tell us a rational scientific idea that atheists have come up with. It certainly isn't one about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.

You wouldn't know this not being a scientist but science doesn't care what people believe or don't believe, nor does it record their beliefs. The reason is that science is objective, caring only about facts and evidence. Ohm's law applies whatever your belief.But since you ask, here's the first five entries under A from the list of notable atheist scientists in the wiki Scott Aaronson (1981–): American theoretical computer scientist and faculty member in the Electrical Engineering and Computer Science department at MIT. His primary area of research is quantum computing and computational complexity theory.[1]Ernst Abbe (1840–1905): German physicist, optometrist, entrepreneur, and social reformer. Together with Otto Schott and Carl Zeiss, he laid the foundation of modern optics. Abbe developed numerous optical instruments. He was a co-owner of Carl Zeiss AG, a German manufacturer of research microscopes, astronomical telescopes, planetariums and other optical systems.[2]Fay Ajzenberg-Selove (1926–2012): American nuclear physicist who was known for her experimental work in nuclear spectroscopy of light elements, and for her annual reviews of the energy levels of light atomic nuclei. She was a recipient of the 2007 National Medal of Science.[3]Jean le Rond d'Alembert (1717–1783): French mathematician, mechanician, physicist, philosopher, and music theorist. He was also co-editor with Denis Diderot of the Encyclopédie.[4][5] Zhores Alferov (1930–2019): Belarusian, Soviet, and Russian physicist who contributed substantially to the creation of modern heterostructure physics and electronics. He is an inventor of the heterotransistor and co-winner (with Herbert Kroemer and Jack Kilby) of the 2000 Nobel Prize in Physics.[6]You can see the full A-Z hereList of atheists in science and technology - Wikipedia

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Tell us a rational scientific idea that atheists have come up with. It certainly isn't one about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.

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You wouldn't know this not being a scientist...

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You are having trouble with language. I didn't ask what atheists are working in science. I asked for a rational scientific idea that atheists have come up with. Of course, perhaps you think that Scott Aaronson came up with the scientific idea of quantum mechanics or Ernst Abbe came up with the field of optics. Atheists certainly have not come up with any rational ideas concerning the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Even the concept of atheism is irrational. It implies the knowledge of everything in the universe.

Numbers #6 and #8 in the A category: Hannes Alfvén (1908–1995): Swedish electrical engineer and plasma physicist. He received the 1970 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). He is best known for describing the class of MHD waves now known as Alfvén waves.[7][8][9][10] Philip W. Anderson (1923–2020): American physicist. He was one of the recipients of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1977. Anderson has made contributions to the theories of localization, antiferromagnetism and high-temperature superconductivity.[12]Should I go through the entire list for you or you going to continue being a total dickhead? Let me guess...

I'm not the one bailing out. That would be you. You can't admit that koalas are being born with ERVs from a currently active exogenous retrovirus. Instead, you run away.

I do understand the simple principle of how koalas are being born with ERV's from a currently active exogenous retrovirus.I do understand what a nested hierarchy is.You apparently can't comprehend either of these.

This one made me laugh Tim Berners-Lee (1955–): English computer scientist, best known as the inventor of the World Wide Web.[32]Type away on that atheist device unbeliever.

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Numbers #6 and #8 in the A category:
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Hannes Alfvén (1908–1995): Swedish electrical engineer and plasma physicist. He received the 1970 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on magnetohydrodynamics (MHD).

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You are still missing the point. Did Hannes Alfven come up with magnetohydrodynamics or did he do work in the field?And why do you think that the concept of atheism is rational? Have atheists observed everything in the universe?

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Don't be silly. But I don't blame you for wanting to bail out from this discussion. It isn't difficult to explain why your concepts of nested hierarchies and retroviruses are nonsensical. We all look forward to your publication of a mathematical explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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I'm not the one bailing out. That would be you. You can't admit that koalas are being born with ERVs from a currently active exogenous retrovirus. Instead, you run away.

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You aren't being very logical. You won't admit to what the life cycle of a virus is. And you have this gross notion that a birth defect is some anatomical defect that you can always see. Then you go forward with this ridiculous claim that a germ cell line can have 203,000 retroviral infections and the lineage does just fine. Try acting like a virologist who understands a virus's life cycle and what it does to a cell that the virus has infected. Then you will understand why a single viral infection may cause the extinction of the koala lineage.

Last of the As Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize–winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[21]I dunno, three Nobel Prize winners just under A. Maybe they discovered something or other. Probably didn't matter much.

Kleinman:

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I asked for a rational scientific idea that atheists have come up with.

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This one made me laugh
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Tim Berners-Lee (1955–): English computer scientist, best known as the inventor of the World Wide Web.[32]
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Type away on that atheist device unbeliever.

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Did Berners-Lee invent computer networking? I was using computer networks back in the 1970s in engineering school. Did Berners-Lee invent that network? Did he invent the typewriter keyboard? I learned how to use a typewriter keyboard in the early 1960s. Did Berners-Lee invent the typewriter keyboard when he was 8 years old? Does Berners-Lee know everything?And you still haven't given us a rational atheist scientific idea that explains biological evolution and how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

I will admit that part of that life cycle is the ERVs found in the koala genome. You are the one who won't admit this. There are billions of examples walking around right now. They are called humans. I'm not the one disagreeing with virologists.

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First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14).
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One of the authors of that paper is John Coffin. He is one of the editors of this textbook on retroviruses:Retroviruses - NCBI BookshelfSo who is disagreeing with virologists? That would be you.

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Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize–winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[21]
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I dunno, three Nobel Prize winners just under A. Maybe they discovered something or other. Probably didn't matter much.

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This is really a difficult question for you. I'm asked for a rational scientific idea that atheists have come up with, not for some research on an existing idea.Atheists have come up with the concept that there is no God. Do atheists know everything?

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You won't admit to what the life cycle of a virus is.

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I will admit that part of that life cycle is the ERVs found in the koala genome. You are the one who won't admit this.

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You won't admit to what the entire life cycle is of the virus because it doesn't fit your irrational belief system. Why won't you admit to the fact that the virus takes over cell function to reproduce itself and then kills the host cell? That's why the koala population is threatened with extinction.

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Then you go forward with this ridiculous claim that a germ cell line can have 203,000 retroviral infections and the lineage does just fine.

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There are billions of examples walking around right now. They are called humans.

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Tell us about those infected with HIV and are not being treated. And that is only one retroviral infection. That is a fact.

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Try acting like a virologist who understands a virus's life cycle and what it does to a cell that the virus has infected.

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I'm not the one disagreeing with virologists.

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You have already shown that you don't understand the physics and mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation and now you want to claim that 203,000 retroviral infections of a germ cell line cause no problem to that lineage. You have chosen an irrational line of thought.

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So who is disagreeing with virologists? That would be you.

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I also disagree with your irrational understanding of the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. That is why you can't explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. You make irrational misinterpretations of the data to fit your faulty belief system. That's why you can't explain mathematically the Kishony, Lenski, Desai, or Peabody experiments and make irrational extrapolations of the Desai and Peabody experiments.

Well you know, I'm still answering the question you asked which was, lest we forget"Have atheists come up with any rational scientific idea?"and I'm only on B George Beadle (1903–1989): American scientist in the field of genetics, and Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine laureate who, with Edward Tatum, discovered the role of genes in regulating biochemical events within cells in 1958.[26]He has to invent everything and know everything? Now that's a tough one. I'm pretty sure doesn't but just let me type it into that World Wide Web thing that he DID invent.Seems like atheists are turning out to be fairly capable scientists.Still on B Charles H. Bennett (1943–): American physicist, information theorist and IBM Fellow at IBM Research. He is best known for his work in quantum cryptography, quantum teleportation and is one of the founding fathers of modern quantum information theory.[30]