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Author Topic:   Testing The Christian Apologists
nwr
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Message 856 of 1086 (897796)
09-12-2022 1:40 PM
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09-12-2022 10:45 AM


Re: Is God A Relative?
I expanded my argument based on the beliefs of Peter Kreeft, a respected apologist.
Apologists are professional liars. There's no reason that they should be respected.
ringo has given a pretty good response on relativism, so no need for me to add my two cents.

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Message 859 of 1086 (897810)
09-12-2022 3:24 PM
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09-12-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Is God A Relative?
Why would they have to lie?
Apologists are marketing Christianity. And marketing is a form of lying.

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Message 866 of 1086 (897842)
09-13-2022 2:14 PM
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09-13-2022 1:23 PM


Re: Power Tools
Of course, I'm no expert on Heaven. How would I know what the place is like?
You could just make stuff up. That's about the only way anybody could know anything about heaven.

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Message 1032 of 1086 (908932)
03-23-2023 7:04 PM
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03-23-2023 5:48 PM


Rare is the atheist who has the courage to face up to the obvious implication of his beliefs ... ie, that life is meaningless.
Atheism is not a system of beliefs. You have just revealed that you don't understand that.

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Message 1049 of 1086 (909006)
03-26-2023 11:44 AM
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03-26-2023 10:45 AM


Re: Ya Gotta Have Stile
Does this make sense?
No, it doesn't.
One wants to find God and surrender, ...
If you consider yourself to be a libertarian, why would you want to surrender?
If you are a serious seeker of truth, why aren't you more skeptical of what you hear and read, including what you hear in church? Why aren't you looking for better evidence?

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Message 1053 of 1086 (909012)
03-26-2023 1:25 PM
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03-26-2023 12:01 PM


Re: Ya Gotta Have Stile
What do my politics have to do with my spirituality?
Is "libertarian" only about politics?
And I had thought it was about how you interact with the world.
The rest of you can go and seek deeper truth all day until Sunday.
For me, knowledge was always about how things work. It was never just about beliefs and whether they were true.
And for me, Christianity was about actions, about what we do and how we interact with other people. It was never a matter of just having the orthodox beliefs. I left Christianity and religion, because so many of those who called themselves "Christian" were not even trying to act as Jesus taught. I remembered those words "by their fruits ye shall know them", and with that test I could tell that most so-called Christians did not fit my understanding of what a Christian should be.

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Message 1061 of 1086 (909022)
03-26-2023 5:35 PM
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03-26-2023 4:56 PM


Re: Ya Gotta Have Stile
So your "faith" depended on the actions of other people ...
No, not at all. It was about my actions. And eventually, one of those actions was to leave the church and to leave organized religion.

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