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AZPaul3
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Message 991 of 1086 (908729)
03-20-2023 3:24 AM


Evil Is Blind.
Religion is blind to its own evil and justifies murder, suffering and blood. See above. Understand now why religion must die.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 992 of 1086 (908732)
03-20-2023 3:53 AM
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03-20-2023 3:24 AM


Re: Evil Is Blind.
Not everyone is fooled by the lies concocted by Godphobes in the mass-media and elsewhere.

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Message 993 of 1086 (908733)
03-20-2023 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 990 by Dredge
03-20-2023 1:53 AM


Dredge writes:
About 93% of sexual-abuse cases in the Catholic Church involve men abusing boys. If it weren't for the sicko queer predators in the clergy, paedophilia in CC wouldn't have gone largely unnoticed.
I have no idea how this more than usually bizarre statement is supposed to help your case. It's certainly true that without 'sicko queer predators in the clergy' these revolting offences wouldn't have happened.
But of course they did. And they did it on a global scale supported by a corrupt institution devoted to promoting its own interests ahead of those of the communities it pretends to protect.
It's not new, it's very old; it's institutionalised and it hasn't changed. For as long as people like you try to downplay the extent of the abuse and corruption it will continue.
“Sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has been reported as far back as the 11th century, when Peter Damian wrote the treatise Liber Gomorrhianus against such abuses and others. In the late 15th century, Katharina von Zimmern and her sister were removed from their abbey to live in their family's house for a while partly because the young girls were molested by priests.[30]
In 1531, Martin Luther claimed that Pope Leo X had vetoed a measure that cardinals should restrict the number of boys they kept for their pleasure, "otherwise it would have been spread throughout the world how openly and shamelessly the Pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy."[31]”
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
Here in the Uk we had an independent inquiry which “ examines the extent of institutional failings by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales to protect children from sexual abuse and examines the Church’s current safeguarding regime. It draws on evidence from the Inquiry’s three case studies on Ampleforth and Downside Abbeys and their respective schools, Ealing Abbey and St Benedict’s School, and the Archdiocese of Birmingham.”
The Vatican refused to help. Nothing has changed.
The Holy See
In 2018 and 2019, the Inquiry asked the Apostolic Nuncio (the Holy See’s ambassador to the United Kingdom) and the Holy See for information relevant to both the public hearing on Ealing Abbey and St Benedict’s School and the final hearing on the Roman Catholic Church, held in late 2019. The Holy See is a foreign state and the Apostolic Nuncio’s diplomatic status means that neither the institution nor the individual can be compelled to provide a statement to the Inquiry or to give evidence. Despite efforts by the Inquiry, very limited information was forthcoming. Much of the information that was provided was already in the public domain. After several months of correspondence, the Holy See belatedly confirmed it would not provide a witness statement. This response appears to be at odds with the May 2019 Papal pronouncements from Rome in which Pope Francis asserted that there needed to be “concrete and effective actions that involve everyone in the Church” regarding its approach to child sexual abuse.[18]
The Holy See’s limited response on this matter manifestly did not demonstrate a commitment to taking action. Their lack of cooperation passes understanding.”
Just a moment...
I suggest you read it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 994 of 1086 (908736)
03-20-2023 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 990 by Dredge
03-20-2023 1:53 AM


Please provide source for 93% claim
.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 995 of 1086 (908738)
03-20-2023 8:50 AM
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03-20-2023 4:22 AM


Tangle writes:
In 1531, Martin Luther claimed that Pope Leo X had vetoed a measure that cardinals should restrict the number of boys they kept for their pleasure, "otherwise it would have been spread throughout the world how openly and shamelessly the Pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy.
Hilarious nonsense. Some people are so childishly gullible.
Martin Luther ... oh yeah, you can believe everything that heretic said about the CC ... LOL.

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Message 996 of 1086 (908739)
03-20-2023 8:50 AM
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03-20-2023 8:29 AM


Frank Ballot (deceased).

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Message 997 of 1086 (908740)
03-20-2023 9:00 AM
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03-20-2023 8:50 AM


That is not a source. So you have no evidence this is accurate. Troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 998 of 1086 (908741)
03-20-2023 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 995 by Dredge
03-20-2023 8:50 AM


Drudge writes:
Hilarious nonsense. Some people are so childishly gullible.

Martin Luther ... oh yeah, you can believe everything that heretic said about the CC ... LOL.
Ok, let's forget the 16th century, care to comment on the 20th century? Are you Laughing Out Loud about those child sex abuses too?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 999 of 1086 (908746)
03-20-2023 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 980 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 5:22 PM


Stupid notion that ignores the symbolism.
Piss poor apologetics.
Regards
DL

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Message 1000 of 1086 (908747)
03-20-2023 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 982 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 7:30 PM


Only a stupid person would forget that all those abusers came out of the societies we all contribute to.
To think child abuse would end with religions end is too stupid to contemplate.
Go away with your stupid Q-Anon conspiracy.
Regards
DL

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AZPaul3
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Message 1001 of 1086 (908773)
03-20-2023 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1000 by Greatest I am
03-20-2023 9:39 AM


As expected, you come out to defend the sin, the abuse, the pain and the blood against children.
"Well, everyone does it."
No they don't. Typical lying religionist. You and your creeds are evil.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1002 of 1086 (908782)
03-20-2023 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1000 by Greatest I am
03-20-2023 9:39 AM


GIA writes:
all those abusers came out of the societies we all contribute to.
I think there's a certain amount of truth to that. I think the abusers were heavily influenced by the so-called sexual revolution going on in secular society in the 1960-70s.

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Message 1003 of 1086 (908783)
03-20-2023 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1001 by AZPaul3
03-20-2023 1:09 PM


The incidence of sexual abuse of minors in the CC was no greater than the general population. That fact must disappoint you somewhat ... here you were thinking the incidence was much higher, having been misled by the disproportionate and tendentious reporting by the media.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1004 of 1086 (908787)
03-20-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1003 by Dredge
03-20-2023 1:59 PM


Doesn't take all that much to justify your church's evil. Your church masters have millennia of experience at hiding your rape and abuse of children. Today is no different.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1005 of 1086 (908788)
03-20-2023 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1004 by AZPaul3
03-20-2023 2:19 PM


Doesn't take all that much to justify your church's evil.
But what he's really saying is this is proof that the catholic church is no more moral than the rest of the assholes in the general population.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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