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Greatest I am
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Message 976 of 1086 (908710)
03-19-2023 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 972 by Dredge
03-19-2023 10:59 AM


On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective.
It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.
Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.
Regards
DL

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Message 977 of 1086 (908711)
03-19-2023 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 973 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 1:30 PM


As an apologist, if that bogus point is your best, ----- fail.
No wonder the religious disrespect apologists for the non-believing side.
Only a fool would would equate cannibalism Christianity.
Regards
DL

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Message 978 of 1086 (908712)
03-19-2023 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 975 by dwise1
03-19-2023 3:22 PM


"their grossly immoral misconduct."
Present examples pls, and are you fighting those anywhere?
Further ---
Your Government would see it and prevent it. No?
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DL

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Message 979 of 1086 (908713)
03-19-2023 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 974 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2023 2:15 PM


The law of the land would not allow a pedophile cult.
It does allow for those involved and caught, to turn the victim from a victim into a paid prostitute, so that the perpetrator can get off and move on to his next crime and nice bunch of enablers.
We are all allowing the pedophile cult you complain about.
Talk to the G D judges and right wingers who see justice in such a vile legal practice.
Regards
DL

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Message 980 of 1086 (908714)
03-19-2023 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 977 by Greatest I am
03-19-2023 5:00 PM


Only a fool would would equate cannibalism Christianity.
I don't equate christianity with cannibalism, the eucharist does.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 981 of 1086 (908715)
03-19-2023 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 979 by Greatest I am
03-19-2023 5:12 PM


The law of the land would not allow a pedophile cult.
The law of the land should not allow a pedophile cult, but cults are notoriously difficult for the rest of society too deal with.
It does allow for those involved and caught, to turn the victim from a victim into a paid prostitute, so that the perpetrator can get off and move on to his next crime and nice bunch of enablers.
Nope, the churches and other organizations, like the Boy Scouts of America and college sports programs, have deceived the public and corrupted the criminal justice systems, to allow coverups of pedophilia and other sexual assault crimes for decades.
We are all allowing the pedophile cult you complain about.
Oh, bullshit! Speak for yourself.
Talk to the G D judges and right wingers who see justice in such a vile legal practice.
I don't know what a GD judge is, but I oppose the right wingers and the religionists and their corruption of our civilization, with my vote and where I choose not to spend my money.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 982 of 1086 (908716)
03-19-2023 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 979 by Greatest I am
03-19-2023 5:12 PM


The law of the land would not allow a pedophile cult.
Your cults, all of them, have abused children outside any secular law, outside any law of the land and outside any law of common human decency for millennia. Your religions are not just poison to the human mind you are rapists to the most innocent of human minds.
Have you seen Canada? Have you seen the western USA? Have you seen Ireland? In these modern times, how many more mass graves of children on church school grounds need to be found? And these are 19th and 20th century finds of recent events. How many more altar boy’s lives need be shattered by this world-wide coven of fellating priests passed diocese to diocese to hide your church's evil?
Don’t care what flavor or which way you make the sign of the cross, your churches need to die. All of them. Just go away. Leave humanity alone. You have caused enough suffering to this species for far too long.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 983 of 1086 (908717)
03-19-2023 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 981 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2023 6:02 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
but I oppose the right wingers and the religionists and their corruption of our civilization, with my vote and where I choose not to spend my money.
... and by restricting your diet to insects only.
Incidentally ... you claim to think like a dragonfly, but how can anyone know how a dragonfly thinks?

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Message 984 of 1086 (908718)
03-19-2023 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 983 by Dredge
03-19-2023 8:52 PM


You're mistaken.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 985 of 1086 (908721)
03-19-2023 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 982 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 7:30 PM


APauling666 writes:
In these modern times, how many more mass graves of children on church school grounds need to be found?
Some children found buried in unmarked graves ... it ain't ideal ... but big deal. Not every orphanage could afford to provide proper grave-sites and tombstones.
Talk about an over-reaction! Another witch-hunt conducted by the God-phobic drama-queens in the mass-media.

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Message 986 of 1086 (908722)
03-19-2023 10:11 PM
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03-19-2023 10:04 PM


Spoken like a true pedophile.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 987 of 1086 (908723)
03-19-2023 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 985 by Dredge
03-19-2023 10:04 PM


9000 Children Died. Irish Church-run Homes
That's right Dredge, keep justifying your catholic evil. Satan would be proud of you if I hadn't zapped him back into the void.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 988 of 1086 (908724)
03-20-2023 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 973 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 1:30 PM


On what basis do you disapprove of cannibalism? It's quite common in nature so what's your objection to it?
According to your beliefs, evolution didn't make humans any better or worse than any other animal, so why have you invented this form of morality?

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Message 989 of 1086 (908725)
03-20-2023 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 982 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 7:30 PM


APauling666 writes:
mass graves
What crap. The hateful Godphobes in the media have taken relatively innocent unmarked graves found in the grounds of penniless orphanages and reported them as "mass graves", conjuring up images of Nazis slaughtering Jews by the thousands and dumping their bodies in a big pit.
The liars in the media want the public to believe evil Christians murdered thousands of children and dumped them in a common grave.
This is a mendacious storm in a teacup that only idiots and fellow-haters take seriously.

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Message 990 of 1086 (908726)
03-20-2023 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 974 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2023 2:15 PM


About 93% of sexual-abuse cases in the Catholic Church involve men abusing boys. If it weren't for the sicko queer predators in the clergy, paedophilia in CC wouldn't have gone largely unnoticed.

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