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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Tanypteryx
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Message 601 of 1104 (908651)
03-18-2023 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 600 by Kleinman
03-18-2023 5:33 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Still Conman the Bullshit Peddler, I see. Still no new citations of your Bullshit papers?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 602 of 1104 (908667)
03-18-2023 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by sensei
03-16-2023 6:43 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
No, you are making the dumbest claims. The kind of evidence for ice melting is very much different than the evidence for evolution. Sorry, your stupidity does not work on me.
Such idiotic comparisons are typical of Darwinoid propaganda. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and dishonest.

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Dredge
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Message 603 of 1104 (908668)
03-18-2023 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by AZPaul3
03-18-2023 7:04 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Please describe a nested hierarchy that includes pre-Cambrian and Cambrian biota.

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Message 604 of 1104 (908671)
03-19-2023 12:34 AM
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03-18-2023 11:18 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Please describe a nested hierarchy ...
Like sensei, are you claiming there are biological populations that evolve in other than such a pattern?
Whether we have the level of perfect information that would allow me to write a paper for you detailing pre-Cambrian and Cambrian patterns or not is unimportant (AI available). What would be important, world shattering, conclusively revealing, is if you show us one of these majik biological lineages that violates the nested hierarchy.
Got any? Only takes one.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 605 of 1104 (908674)
03-19-2023 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 12:34 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Got any? Only takes one.
Angels.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 606 of 1104 (908676)
03-19-2023 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2023 12:51 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Acute or obtuse?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 607 of 1104 (908677)
03-19-2023 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 606 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 12:57 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Obtuse, obviously.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 608 of 1104 (908699)
03-19-2023 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 601 by Tanypteryx
03-18-2023 5:39 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tanypteryx:
Still Conman the Bullshit Peddler, I see. Still no new citations of your Bullshit papers?
Is that your best response? You certain can't explain the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. That would require that you have some scientific training.

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Kleinman
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Message 609 of 1104 (908700)
03-19-2023 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by AZPaul3
03-19-2023 12:34 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Dredge:
AZPaul3:
Like sensei, are you claiming there are biological populations that evolve in other than such a pattern?

Whether we have the level of perfect information that would allow me to write a paper for you detailing pre-Cambrian and Cambrian patterns or not is unimportant (AI available). What would be important, world shattering, conclusively revealing, is if you show us one of these majik biological lineages that violates the nested hierarchy.

Got any? Only takes one.

The layman still can't explain the simplest biological evolutionary experiments. But that's not surprising, neither can biologists.

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Taq
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Message 610 of 1104 (908758)
03-20-2023 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 591 by sensei
03-18-2023 4:56 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Many things produce nested hierarchies.
Two of those things is common ancestry and evolution.

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Message 611 of 1104 (908759)
03-20-2023 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by Kleinman
03-18-2023 4:41 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
So, the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are not evidence?
The populations in those experiments produced a nested hierarchy due to common ancestry and evolution.

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Taq
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Message 612 of 1104 (908760)
03-20-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Kleinman
03-18-2023 5:33 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
Tell us more about how a germ cell line can get 200,000 retroviral infections without killing that line.
The same way you survive with 200,000 retroviral insertions in your genome. These insertions are a fact.

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Kleinman
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Message 613 of 1104 (908762)
03-20-2023 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 611 by Taq
03-20-2023 10:56 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
So, the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are not evidence?
Taq:
The populations in those experiments produced a nested hierarchy due to common ancestry and evolution.

You are partially correct. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments do produce a nested hierarchy. Here is a video of the Kishony experiment that demonstrates that:
The Evolution of Bacteria on a “Mega-Plate” Petri Dish (Kishony Lab)
At time 1:42, the presenter actually draws in the nested hierarchy (family tree) for this example of the evolution of drug resistance.
What this video and experiment do not demonstrate is the concept of (universal) common descent which you and other biologists try to imply with your nested hierarchy drawings of reptiles and birds, and fish and mammals.
The Kishony and Lenski experiments demonstrate how slow descent with modification and adaptation works. You claim that sexual reproduction and recombination overcome this. However, what you are not considering is that if adaptive mutations must occur in a single allele, recombination will not make a difference.
Consider this example, it takes 5 mutations to give a high-efficiency beta-lactamase allele (high resistance to penicillin class drugs) bacteria variant. Even if the bacteria can recombine, it will make no difference in the evolution of that allele. Recombination only accelerates biological adaptation when adaptive alleles can recombine and the probability of that happening depends on the frequencies of those adaptive alleles. But recombination will not accelerate biological adaptation if the accumulation of adaptive mutations must occur in a single allele. Your claim that humans and chimpanzees are related is not reasonable. There are too many genetic differences, even if we use your numbers. You are making an unreasonable extrapolation when drawing your nested hierarchies.

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Kleinman
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Message 614 of 1104 (908763)
03-20-2023 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Taq
03-20-2023 10:57 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Tell us more about how a germ cell line can get 200,000 retroviral infections without killing that line.
Taq:
The same way you survive with 200,000 retroviral insertions in your genome. These insertions are a fact.

I'm very surprised by you when you make this claim. Are you really a virologist? Aren't you aware of what HIV does to an untreated person with this infection? And your own link about koalas and the retroviral infection these animals have may drive them to extinction. Yet you seem to think that a lineage can get 200,000 of these infections when a single infection has such great lethality. I think you are having trouble recognizing what a fact is and what a misinterpretation of data is because this is a gross misinterpretation of the data by you.

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Message 615 of 1104 (908765)
03-20-2023 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 614 by Kleinman
03-20-2023 11:51 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
And your own link about koalas and the retroviral infection these animals have may drive them to extinction.
The exogenous retrovirus may drive them to extinction, not the endogenous ones.
You have over 200,000 endogenous retroviruses in your genome. This is a fact. You survive just fine with those ERV's.
I think you are having trouble recognizing what a fact is and what a misinterpretation of data is because this is a gross misinterpretation of the data by you.
From the human genome paper:

Initial sequencing and analysis of the human genome | Nature
Adding up ERV class I-III is equal to 203,000 insertions.

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