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Percy
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Message 601 of 1110 (908349)
03-12-2023 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Porkncheese
03-12-2023 6:06 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
The graphs you're posting do not support and are unrelated to the case you're making. This has been explained to you, yet you don't respond but just keep posting unrelated graphs. Here, again, is the kind of graph you want:
This graph contradicts your position on vaccines.
It *is* possible for more vaccinated than unvaccinated people to die in a region, but only if that region has a high level of vaccination. For example, if a region is 90% vaccinated, and if it's an 80/20 ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated deaths, then 18% of deaths will be vaccinated and 8% will be unvaccinated, but only because the unvaccinated population is so small.
--Percy

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Message 602 of 1110 (908351)
03-12-2023 11:23 AM
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03-12-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
He is willingly ignorant.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 603 of 1110 (908352)
03-12-2023 11:44 AM
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03-12-2023 6:06 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
The fact that no nation is willing to investigate this disaster says it all...
What it says is that your post is bogus bullcrap. You are lying.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 604 of 1110 (908353)
03-12-2023 11:55 AM
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03-12-2023 6:06 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
What are you hoping to do here PorkiePie? You realise that you're talking mostly to rational people many of which are also scientists? Do you think you can persuade us with out-of-context charts, no causational evidence and laughing baby giffs?
Anyway, yes, as I already agreed, the excess death observation is real and IT HAS BEEN WIDELY REPORTED. It has not been ignored. That's why if you google it you'll get many articles written about t like this one.
Post-COVID excess mortality rates: What do they tell us about the state of public health in Europe? | Euronews
So perhaps you could stop spreading that particular lie now?
There are several explanations for these excess deaths. The most obvious is that people are still dying from COVID - mostly the unvaccinated (see graph) but also the elderly.
People are also dying from co-morbidities from long COVID, from 'normal' illnesses that could not be treated during COVID, from health services that are still struggling to recover, from spikes of seasonal flu that had been suppressed during lockdowns and from unusual weather events - Europe has a long, very hot drought last summer.
No-one, repeat no-one, is blaming the vaccine for any excess deaths except nutters like you. The vaccine is proven safe.
Deaths from unvaccinated far exceed vaccinated. Here's Percy's graph again. See that massive peak of deaths of the unvaccinated vs vaccinated - what do you think might possibly explain that? Could it be that it was because they were unvaccinated?
So show causation or stfu.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Message 605 of 1110 (908424)
03-15-2023 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Porkncheese
03-12-2023 6:06 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Lets continue looking at data from down under where its more of the same...
Big rise un unexplained deaths and very quite from the government and media who both have a conflict of interests
New Zealand
Australia
Australias graph is incomplete and because i live here i decided to look further at the bureau of statistics.
What i found was that Australia had a 15% increase in all deaths in 2022.
Thats about 25,000 extra people dead according to the bureau.
Its the people who died from other causes that i would like to see the vaccination status for not the vaccination for covid deaths as thats what its supposed to do at the least and is only a reflection of old people as they are the ones mainly effected by covid.
Almost 9,000 deaths in 2022 were attributed to covid at an average age of over 80
According to the media 95% of Aussies are fully jabbed and everyone over 70 is fully jabbed.
This is a huge failure of the covid injections which were supposed to stop these people even getting covid in the first place let alone die from it.
These people are old and frail and were due to die soon so they weren't extra deaths at all, just normal deaths.
So we can say all the excess deaths are not from covid.
Another huge piece of evidence is that there is an increase of deaths across all ages, not just the old ones. We know that covid is nothing for young people so then why else are we seeing them die like this. Athletes dropping on the pitch now like its out of fashion. Blood clots, mycarditis this and that. And it all started in 2021 with the needles. In 2020 it was just the old people from covid, now its everyone.
And why don't we see a difference in deaths in 3rd world countries. They have a 3rd world medical system, live in 3rd world conditions, did not react to the covid with lockdowns and masks and injections yet they are just fine. What a coincidence.
"Look here i found the smoking gun"
"We won't look"
"Why, afraid what you may find?"
"Yes it will conflict with our interests"
Any objective scientist would look at all possible causes; covid, lockdowns and of course the covid injections
Ignoring that is pseudo psyence and only the most foolish are being fooled
There needs to be an investigation into this. More people are dying here now than in 2020 when it started but not a word. A deafening silence.
I personally know no one who has been harmed by covid but i know over a dozen people who have been permanently harmed by these toxic shots now.
Some of their doctors say that the injection has nothing to do with it, others say the injection is the cause of it, while others say their not sure.
One thing is for sure is that many people are being harmed by these toxic injections
My position on vaccines is simple... Leave us alone... Each make their own decision without discrimination.
Put what ever you like into your bodies but its not your decision what goes into mine nor is it the decision of the media or government.
My doctors advised me not to take it so i didn't. The persecution that followed against me was unwarranted and inhumane.
All kinds of discrimination against unjabbed people is inhumane. It should never happen again.

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Message 606 of 1110 (908427)
03-15-2023 3:19 AM


Too frightened to discuss? Just here to post misinformation and lies?
Mods, do something please.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 607 of 1110 (908431)
03-15-2023 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by Porkncheese
03-15-2023 1:18 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
Lets continue looking at data from down under where its more of the same...
You refuse to look at data.
quote:
In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

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Percy
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Message 608 of 1110 (908443)
03-15-2023 5:46 PM
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03-15-2023 1:18 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Porkncheese writes:
Lets continue looking at data from down under where its more of the same...
I wish you had said, "Let me respond to some of the replies to my posts."
Big rise in unexplained deaths...
It's not true that there was a large increase in unexplained deaths. Very few death certificates list the cause of death as "unknown".
Even if you meant to say, "Unexplained big rise in excess mortality...", that's not true, either. This past year there has been a significant increase in flu and RSV and other respiratory illnesses because countries have dropped the covid protocols, but excess mortality hasn't increased but declined. I think you must mean just Australia, which I get to later.
...and very quiet from the government and media who both have a conflict of interest.
I'm not surprised that the government and media haven't said much about your made-up excess mortality crisis.
You presented a couple more graphs of the exact sort you've posted before that don't make your case at all. Yes, there are excess deaths, but we know why they're happening.
It's the people who died from other causes that i would like to see the vaccination status for...
In other words, you suspect that vaccines are causing the excess deaths but don't have any evidence. It sounds like you would like to see graphs of the covid vaccination status for people who died of other causes like flu, RSV or other respiratory infections, but you've already been shown the graph of covid deaths for vaccinated versus unvaccinated. If vaccinated people were dying at a higher rate that graph would give some indication of it, but it doesn't, so of course no one thinks the vaccine is causing deaths. All indications from that graph I showed, and here it is again, is that vaccinated people have about an 80% lower rate of death than vaccinated people:
I'm curious what you think people are dying of when killed by the vaccine? What does it say on their death certificates?
Almost 9,000 deaths in 2022 were attributed to covid at an average age of over 80
According to the media 95% of Aussies are fully jabbed and everyone over 70 is fully jabbed.
This is a huge failure of the covid injections which were supposed to stop these people even getting covid in the first place let alone die from it.
You are misinformed. No vaccine provides 100% protection against any virus. That includes flu, mumps, measles, rubella, and covid,. The MMR vaccine provides very high protection for mumps, measles and rubella because their variants are very similar with respect to the vaccine. But the same is not true of flu. There's a new strain of flu every year, which is why flu vaccines have an effectiveness that changes every year, sometimes as low as 40%, sometimes as high as 90%. The flu vaccines are actually pretty effective against the strain they're intended for, but they have to make the decision about what strain will be most prevalent the following season many months earlier so they can begin production in time, and making that choice is fraught with error. Make the right choice and the flu vaccine has high effectiveness that season, a wrong choice and the opposite occurs.
Like flu covid also evolves and produces new strains. It has already gone from the original to delta to omicron to the current XBB.1.5, and of course there were many minor variants. The covid vaccines were developed for the original variant, and their effectiveness has dropped with each variant. Efficacy is measured against multiple criteria, among them illness, hospitalization, and death, and of course it varies with age group, becoming less effective the older the age group.
Against the original covid variant the various vaccines were around 85% effective at preventing hospitalization. Against delta that dropped to around 75%, and for omicron 60%. Figures are not yet available for the XBB.1.5 variant, which is almost all cases in the US right now.
These people are old and frail and were due to die soon so they weren't extra deaths at all, just normal deaths.
A 70-year-old in the US has about a 2% chance of dying within a year, but if they catch covid then it doubles to about 4%. Those are extra deaths. The life expectancy of a 70-year-old in the US is about 88, but as you yourself have pointed out, most covid deaths occur among the elderly. A 70-year-old who catches covid has a lower probability of making it to 88.
So we can say all the excess deaths are not from covid.
That is incorrect. What we can say is that the mitigation practices of social isolation and masking dramatically reduced the incidence rates of cold, flu and RSV through the first couple years of the pandemic, and covid represents almost all the excess deaths during that period. But this winter the northern hemisphere has experienced a resurgence of cold, flu and RSV as these diseases prey upon a population with lower immunity than has been the case in the past. And the XBB.1.5 variant is less virulent then prior strains, so cold, flu and RSV are now the cause of the majority of excess deaths.
Another huge piece of evidence is that there is an increase of deaths across all ages, not just the old ones.
Yes, Australia is anomalous because they handled covid in a manner different from the rest of the world. They thought they could fight covid through isolation and quarantine. This worked for a while, but at the beginning of 2022 covid began making inroads into Australia. Excess mortality was only postponed, not prevented:
The same happened to New Zealand, which took a similar approach (note that the timescales are different):
Most of the rest of the world used only social isolation and masking, and so they took the covid hit much earlier. This is the graph for the US:
We know that covid is nothing for young people so then why else are we seeing them die like this.
I could find no data for Australia broken down by age. Could you please present your information?
Athletes dropping on the pitch now like its out of fashion. Blood clots, mycarditis this and that. And it all started in 2021 with the needles. In 2020 it was just the old people from covid, now its everyone.
Again, I could not find this information. Australia did not have many excess deaths from covid in 2020 because back then Australia was still successfully keeping it at bay. Could you please present your information?
And why don't we see a difference in deaths in 3rd world countries. They have a 3rd world medical system, live in 3rd world conditions, did not react to the covid with lockdowns and masks and injections yet they are just fine. What a coincidence.
You present no information and I don't know what 3rd world countries you're referring to, so I just now looked at the graphs for three randomly selected 3rd world countries, Egypt, Guatemala and UAE. They all seem to suffer from sporadic data collection (that was my conclusion from the sparsity of data points), but they all had significant excess mortality.
Any objective scientist would look at all possible causes; covid, lockdowns and of course the covid injections.
What does "death by covid vaccine injection" look like?
There needs to be an investigation into this. More people are dying here now than in 2020 when it started but not a word. A deafening silence.
Again, Australia delayed but couldn't avoid the covid pandemic. My guess is that any excess mortality seen now in Australia is due to a combination of covid, flu and RSV. But this is your summer. I would expect that this coming winter that regions of Australia where weather forces people to be indoors more of the time will likely experience even higher excess mortality rates.
I personally know no one who has been harmed by covid but i know over a dozen people who have been permanently harmed by these toxic shots now.
What does vaccine injury look like?
Some of their doctors say that the injection has nothing to do with it, others say the injection is the cause of it, while others say they're not sure.
Could you be more specific? When you say that, for example, "the injection has nothing to do with it," my question is, "With what?" What injury is occurring?
One thing is for sure is that many people are being harmed by these toxic injections
Given that the entire rest of the world has shown the vaccines safe since they were first introduced in early 2021, certainty that Australians are being harmed by the vaccine seems unjustified.
My position on vaccines is simple... Leave us alone... Each make their own decision without discrimination.
A reasonable position on people who refuse to be vaccinated for deadly diseases is also simple: stay isolated at home.
Put what ever you like into your bodies but its not your decision what goes into mine nor is it the decision of the media or government.
A reasonable position is that people shouldn't exhale deadly pathogens into the air.
My doctors advised me not to take it so i didn't. The persecution that followed against me was unwarranted and inhumane.
What reasons did your doctors give for not taking it? What form did the persecution take?
All kinds of discrimination against unjabbed people is inhumane. It should never happen again.
Should unvaccinated people be free to spread preventable disease?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 609 of 1110 (908514)
03-16-2023 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 605 by Porkncheese
03-15-2023 1:18 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Here's another graph about vaccine efficacy in the United States that you might find helpful. From ABC News, this shows that in American states the lower the vaccination rate the higher the death rate.
The dots in red show states that voted for Trump in the 2020 election, blue for Biden. Trump supporters tend to be reluctant to adopt covid mitigation approaches such as isolation, masking and vaccination, and states that supported Trump suffered a higher death rate.
There are a number of anomalous points that are easily explainable. New York's New York City has an extremely dense population, and dense population centers tended to suffer the most. New Mexico only just barely voted for Biden and has large rural regions of Trump supporters. Pennsylvania is similar, plus it has two dense metropolitan areas, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Nevada, Arizona and George only just barely went for Biden and include large rural regions of Trump supporters. Florida's population is weighted toward the elderly because it is a popular retirement destination.
I'd have to do some investigation to see if there are explanations for other anomalous points like Michigan, Utah and North Dakota.
--Percy

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Message 610 of 1110 (908624)
03-17-2023 4:50 PM
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03-15-2023 1:18 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
This is likely similar to other things you've been reading and giving unjustified credence to: CDC data reveal that multiple covid jabs can knock up to 24 years off a person’s expected lifespan
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 611 of 1110 (909746)
04-10-2023 8:24 AM


The Right to Spread Disease
Woman with tuberculosis faces jail and forced treatment after she refused isolation and visited a casino, says a headline at yahoo!news. The woman has refused treatment for tuberculosis and refused to self-isolate by riding busses and attending casinos.
Tuberculosis is a very dangerous disease, killing about a million worldwide annually. It is spread in the same way as covid, through the air by people breathing, speaking, coughing, etc. Covid averaged around two million deaths annually over the past three years, making it twice as dangerous as tuberculosis. It is pretty certain that the latest variants are far less lethal than the original and delta, which is good, but it make the death rate from the early versions of covid even additionally more lethal than tuberculosis.
Yet some people argue like Zach here in the comments section:
Zach:
She has the right to refuse treatment. This is unconstitutional and it don’t matter it’s your choice to stay away from her.
Zach is commenting on an article that clearly states the woman's image is not public. Since she's not wearing a dunce cap, how does Zach propose people identify her? He doesn't say. The woman's case is ongoing, but it seems likely she'll be forced into treatment.
The conservative response to covid still remains a mystery in terms of its sheer dunderheadedness. They don't want masks, they don't want isolation, they don't want vaccines, and they definitely don't want shutdowns. I've lost one tennis buddy to long covid (he can't walk a hundred feet without having to rest). Another tennis buddy announced loud and long over the past couple years that covid was nonsense and that anyway he had the kind of constitution that wasn't vulnerable to it. A couple months ago he caught covid and he can't seem to get all the way back on the tennis court. He can hit lightly for ten minutes before having to rest.
My friend circle tends to be older and more vulnerable than the general population, but older people can be just as much idiots as younger ones.
We've known about respiratory diseases for a long time. The proper way of dealing with them hasn't changed. Covid doesn't bounce off red state borders, and those who live in red states are just as vulnerable as everyone else. More so, since red states have far fewer masks, much less isolation, and lower vaccination rates.
The recognition that living in a society commits one to a social contract agreeing to do what is best for the community at large seems have been lost on large segments of the country. They think everyone should be allowed to do their own thing regarding contagious diseases, apparently forgetting the deaths and quarantines of over a hundred years ago before effective public health measures began to be employed.
People we've lost to covid whose names you might recognize:
  • Colin Powell
  • Cloris Leachman
  • Charley Pride
  • Arnie Robinson (Olympic gold medalist, track and field)
  • Tommy DeVito (Four Seasons, I met him briefly in '69)
  • Bruce Williamson (Temptations lead signer)
  • Tom Seaver
  • Herman Cain
  • Nick Cordero (Broadway star)
  • Annie Glenn (widow of John Glenn)
  • Tom Dempsey (Football place kicker)
  • Ellis Marsalis (father of Brandford and Wynton Marsalis)
The most common request that unvaccinated people make when hospitalized is to be vaccinated, not understanding that it's already too late for the vaccine to help them. But it does reveal how much more clear people's thinking becomes as death approaches.
--Percy

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Message 612 of 1110 (909747)
04-10-2023 8:55 AM
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04-10-2023 8:24 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Percy:
Woman with tuberculosis faces jail and forced treatment after she refused isolation and visited a casino, says a headline at yahoo!news. The woman has refused treatment for tuberculosis and refused to self-isolate by riding busses and attending casinos.
Tuberculosis is a very dangerous disease, killing about a million worldwide annually. It is spread in the same way as covid, through the air by people breathing, speaking, coughing, etc. Covid averaged around two million deaths annually over the past three years, making it twice as dangerous as tuberculosis. It is pretty certain that the latest variants are far less lethal than the original and delta, which is good, but it make the death rate from the early versions of covid even additionally more lethal than tuberculosis.
This post deserves some comment. The following quote is from this website, California’s HIV Transmission Laws: Updated 2020 - Pride Legal :
SB 239 is Considered a Landmark Achievement by the LGBTQ Community
Things have now changed. On January 1, 2018, Senate Bill (SB) 239 came into law, scoring a huge win for HIV activists. Prior to 2018, HIV was the only disease you could be prosecuted for transmitting. California Governor Jerry Brown signed the law which repealed the old HIV laws regarding partner notification.
Friend of the LGBTQ community and California State Senator Scott Wiener (D), said that “HIV is a public health issue, not a criminal issue.” “These felonies, which treat HIV differently than all other serious communicable diseases, stigmatize people living with HIV and discourage people from getting tested and into treatment.”
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong? Do I need to post a list of people that have died from HIV this way?

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Message 613 of 1110 (909772)
04-11-2023 8:28 AM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Percy, the point here is that people do things that are risky or dangerous to themselves or others. It might be a speeder on the road, the example of a promiscuous person passing a disease to an unknowing partner, or a woman with tuberculosis that engages in behavior that increases the risk of spreading the disease. How should you as an individual and the society as a whole respond to such behavior?

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Message 614 of 1110 (909774)
04-11-2023 8:50 AM
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04-10-2023 8:55 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong?
You have to ask?
--Percy

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Message 615 of 1110 (909775)
04-11-2023 8:53 AM
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04-11-2023 8:28 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Percy, the point here is that people do things that are risky or dangerous to themselves or others. It might be a speeder on the road, the example of a promiscuous person passing a disease to an unknowing partner, or a woman with tuberculosis that engages in behavior that increases the risk of spreading the disease. How should you as an individual and the society as a whole respond to such behavior?
Society has already made that decision. Intentionally spreading dangerous contagious disease is a crime. Some jurisdictions have specific laws about intentionally spreading disease, others handle it under "assault and battery" statutes.
--Percy

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