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Phat
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Message 946 of 1086 (907379)
02-22-2023 6:43 PM
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02-22-2023 12:16 PM


Geaux Yumons!
I can hardly wait for the day that we all eat bugs together!

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Message 947 of 1086 (907400)
02-23-2023 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 925 by Dredge
02-21-2023 3:49 PM


We have always been Christian based.
It was the best extension from Judaism in it's early beginnings and only went stupid under Constantine.
Our theology is based on Chrestianity more than the Christianity that plagiarized those writings.
Then, like now, we can be the bridge between religion and politics.
Here is a thing on this.
I might make an O.P.
Equality is downsizing religions, as parents refuse to downsize their love for an LGBTQ+ or female child.
Premise ---
Parents want to love their LGBTQ+ kids without prejudice or negative discrimination.
I see Christianity and all religiosity shrinking. Churches closing, etc, while new Temples and Mosques of the wisdom seeking genre, --- as opposed to God seeker, --- are popping up to replace the God seeker religions.
This intelligent trend is to put humans and universality and inclusion over the Gods we have created, --- is nice to see as it returns us to a modernized version of the ancient and better days.
Demographics and stats are clear that the God religions of today will either have to adapt to a more secular view, --- and especially stop preaching --- that a parent has to downsize their love for a LGBTQ+ child.
Gnostic Christianity and Laïcité are the future, as we already disavow such vile evil.
We curse words like --- and the men are a degree above them [women] and he will rule over you [women], etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJvktEcf87A
Regards
DL

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Message 948 of 1086 (907402)
02-23-2023 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 926 by Dredge
02-21-2023 3:53 PM


We define God the right way.
A human creation. A human generated spirit that hold all our best laws and rules to live life by.
God live in all of us.
We accept what we now have as the best laws, even as we live by them, and remain perpetual seekers of better way.
We also are mandated to fight evil so are populated with people with balls.
Even when first conceived, Gnostic Christians had the balls to argue and could only be shut down by inquisitions and their many murders because we could not be beat.
Do you define God a better way?
Regards
DL

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Message 949 of 1086 (907403)
02-23-2023 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 927 by Dredge
02-21-2023 4:03 PM


We will chat when you leave your words out of my mouth.
Apologies for giving you stats that have you adding on to the poor Christian showing as compared to the more moral and ethical atheists.
They might have excuses for being poor citizens.
Why do you and your high nosed Christian friends not blame your religion for not making you better than atheists?
Regards
DL

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Message 950 of 1086 (907404)
02-23-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 934 by Dredge
02-21-2023 6:52 PM


Re: Answering For The Peanut Gallery
without Christ
The world has never had a Jesus Christ.
Jesus is never anointed to that station in the myth.
Prove me wrong.
Regards
DL

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Message 951 of 1086 (907405)
02-23-2023 11:13 AM
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02-21-2023 4:54 PM


Re: Dont Gnock It Till You Understand It
""Gnosticism describes a collection of ancient religions whose adherents shunned the material world -""
You have been listening to the inquisitors and not to Gnostic Christians.
Get any Gnostic Christian document showing this that holds more truth than our real beliefs about matter.
Fact is, mythically speaking we see our bodies as housing the spark of God we say we all have inside of us and venerate God's abode.
Our overall view is that we are the best we can all be and that makes this place and time the only heaven we can know.
Here is the longer version showing how we agree with science.
The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.
Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?
Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”
That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
Regards
DL
P.S.
I think I have given you this before. Memory.

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Message 952 of 1086 (908591)
03-16-2023 8:36 PM
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02-22-2023 4:44 PM


Re: Imagine No Republicans
Good one!
Imagine is an ode to atheism and wokeness. Nice melody, shame about the lyrics. John Lennon was a sick man.

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Message 953 of 1086 (908592)
03-16-2023 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by Greatest I am
02-23-2023 10:41 AM


Greatpest I Am writes:
We have always been Christian based.
Really? So you believe Jesus was God in human form and that the Bible is the word of God?

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Message 954 of 1086 (908594)
03-16-2023 8:54 PM
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02-23-2023 10:41 AM


Greatpest I Am writes:
I see Christianity and all religiosity shrinking.
I see you are lost and walking in darkness.

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Message 955 of 1086 (908597)
03-16-2023 9:00 PM
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02-23-2023 10:41 AM


Greatpest I Am writes:
Equality is downsizing religions, as parents refuse to downsize their love for an LGBTQ+ or female child.
Parents want to love their LGBTQ+ kids without prejudice or negative discrimination.


Demographics and stats are clear that the God religions of today will either have to adapt to a more secular view, --- and especially stop preaching --- that a parent has to downsize their love for a LGBTQ+ child.
Let me guess ... you identify as LGBTQ+.

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Message 956 of 1086 (908614)
03-17-2023 10:59 AM
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03-16-2023 8:44 PM


No.
I see you do not know much about Gnostic Christianity.
We are esoteric ecumenists and perpetual seekers.
That is why we are the best ideology going.
Happy to answer any intelligent questions you might have.
Regards
DL

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Message 957 of 1086 (908616)
03-17-2023 11:01 AM
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03-16-2023 9:00 PM


Irrelevant.
Get smarter and more serious or get lost.
Regards
DL

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Phat
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Message 958 of 1086 (908622)
03-17-2023 4:20 PM
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03-17-2023 11:01 AM


GreatestNoMore
To you, Gnostic Christianity is just your way to be special...to imagine yourself an enlightened mystic. You do not know Jesus and the belief that you hold has many flaws. Drop it and admit you are an atheist or dont waste my time with your intellectually handicapped mind.

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Message 959 of 1086 (908638)
03-18-2023 11:10 AM
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03-17-2023 10:59 AM


Greatpest I Am writes:
That is why we are the best ideology going.
Right ... your ideology is so marvellous and successful that hardly anyone has heard on your funny little religion.
How many of you in the USA? More than ten?

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Message 960 of 1086 (908640)
03-18-2023 11:30 AM
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03-18-2023 11:10 AM


Given the stats, I would say that the vast majority are now ignoring their affiliations.
Better than 90 % of the affiliated, in some countries, do not even go to church once a year.
Those Christians are Gnostic at heart, in the sense that they do not believe their own B. S. and are heretics.
Regards
DL

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