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Dredge
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Message 1471 of 1864 (908589)
03-16-2023 8:28 PM
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03-16-2023 11:25 AM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
woke = Loony Left = cultural Marxist

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Message 1472 of 1864 (908595)
03-16-2023 8:55 PM
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03-16-2023 8:28 PM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
That is not a definition. What do the other terms mean?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1473 of 1864 (908618)
03-17-2023 11:15 AM
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03-16-2023 8:28 PM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
Dredge writes:
woke = Loony Left = cultural Marxist
You just added two more terms that you can't define.

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Message 1474 of 1864 (908652)
03-18-2023 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1459 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, all ancient pagan religions had their versions of
trinity, or triad deities.
Lucifer desired to rule with the Father and Son as a trinity.
He wanted to sit at the left hand of God. He could not.
He, as ruler of the world, influenced all pagan religions
into accepting this false concept.
In Egypt, around 2300 BC, the triad deities consisted of
Osiris (Nimrod), Isis (Semiramis), and Horus.
In Babylon these same three were known Nina's, Ishtar,
and Tammuz.
In Ancient Rome Jupiter, juno, and Minervo.
In Ancient Greece Zeus, Hades, and posed on.
The Ancient roots of Hinduism, after the 6th Century BC
featured the 3 in 1 God Trimurti.
Brahman consisted of Brahma-creator, Vishnu-preserver,
and Shiva-destroyer.
What the Great Religions Believe, Joseph Gaer p.25.
&
Exploring Ancient History - The First 2500 Years, ch 11, 24.
The years from 70 AD to 170 AD in church history is
virtually blank.
This age is known as the "Age of Shadows."
When the curtains are drawn back we see a church that
is much different from the one the Apostles described.
Iniquity was already influencing the church during the
time of Paul and John.
Read 2Thessalonians 27; 2Corinthians 11: 13-15;
1John 4:1; Jude 3; a d 3John 9-10 to name a few.
The term trinity is soaked in paganism.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1475 of 1864 (908653)
03-18-2023 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1474 by candle2
03-18-2023 7:37 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
You forgot the 1993 Cowboys with Aikman, Irvin and Smith. The true trinity.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1476 of 1864 (908656)
03-18-2023 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1474 by candle2
03-18-2023 7:37 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
In John 9:38 there is an account of Jesus allowing a man to WORSHIP him. Please explain.
"He said, “Lord, I believe”; and he worshiped him."

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Dredge
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Message 1477 of 1864 (908657)
03-18-2023 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1474 by candle2
03-18-2023 7:37 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
In Revelation 22:8-9, the apostle John attempted to worship an angel, but was severely admonished:
"And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he *said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”
In Matthew 4:9-10, Satan said to Jesus,
“All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.”". But Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him"".
In light of these passages, please explain why Jesus allowed a man to worship him in John 9:38.

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Dredge
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Message 1478 of 1864 (908659)
03-18-2023 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1475 by AZPaul3
03-18-2023 7:49 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Then there's feminism, abortion and homosexuality - aka The Unholy Trinity.

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Message 1479 of 1864 (908755)
03-20-2023 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1477 by Dredge
03-18-2023 10:17 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
In Revelation 22:8-9, the apostle John . . .
Revelation was not written by John the apostle. I find it interesting that atheists like myself tend to know more about the Bible than believers.

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candle2
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Message 1480 of 1864 (908764)
03-20-2023 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1477 by Dredge
03-18-2023 10:17 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, there are several aspects to these verses. And, I
will have to text them in several posts. I will try to text them
all today. I am texting this on my break.
First of all, Jesus was worthy of worship. There are many
examples of people worshipping Him in the NT.
The angel prevented John from worshipping him because
he was not worthy of worship
Just a few examples of Jesus being worshipped during
his earthly ministry. Notice that Jesus accepted worship.
Matthew 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 28:17.
John 9:28; 20:28.
Genesis 3:15 (in layman terms) states that a seed of
Eve's would defeat Satan.
Satan knew this prediction, and knew it well. He did
everything in his power to prevent the birth of this seed.
He tried, through King Herod, to have the child killed.
Read the 2nd chapter of Matthew.

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Phat
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Message 1481 of 1864 (908766)
03-20-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1479 by Taq
03-20-2023 10:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
There is actually controversy as to who wrote Revelation, and your "side" by no means is the only voice on this issue. (It would make sense, however, for the mythicists and Biblical critics to attempt any legal means whatsoever to discredit the source.) Your side will always respec the critical thinkers as unbiased. My side will argue that both sides have motive. Either spread the good news about the Messiah or try and prove that He never existed. Clearly we are in an ongoing war. Jesus may have already won, but Satan may likely get 80% of the people on his side using logic and evidence, ironically.
Of course my critics will handwave all of this away as fantasy and wishful thinking!
The meaning of the Trinity in practical terms is that the Creator of all seen and unseen came to earth as a human and left us His Spirit. No 3 ways about it!
That being said, I will say that far too many "believers" are simply sitting around waiting for rescue from what will soon become a godforsaken place. The humanists will justfy the evil of negative thinking and brainwashing through religion and will attempt to wipe the "virus" from humanity. AZSolutions3 can tell you more about that!

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Dredge
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Message 1482 of 1864 (908776)
03-20-2023 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1479 by Taq
03-20-2023 10:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Taqo writes:
Revelation was not written by John the apostle. I find it interesting that atheists like myself tend to know more about the Bible than believers.
My concern is that you seem to be thinking like an insect again.
From The Catholic Encyclopedia:
The author of the Apocalypse calls himself John. "John to the seven churches which are in Asia" (Apocalypse 1:4). And again, "I, John, your brother and your partner in tribulation . . . was in the island which called Patmos, for the word of God" (1:9).
The Seer does not further specify his personality. But from tradition we know that the Seer of the Apocalypse was John the Apostle the son of Zebedee, the Beloved Disciple of Jesus. At the end of the second century the Apocalypse was acknowledged by the historical representatives of the principal churches as the genuine work of John the Apostle.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Apocalypse

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candle2
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Message 1483 of 1864 (908777)
03-20-2023 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1477 by Dredge
03-18-2023 10:17 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, Jesus is the member of the God family that
created everything, both seen and unseen. He even
created all angelic beings, including Satan himself.
John 1:3,10; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17.
The demons who possessed the two individuals in
Matthew 8:28-29 knew who Jesus.was.
They cried out to Jesus "what have we to do with thee,
Jesus, thou Son of God? Are thou come hither to torment
us before the time?"
And, Satan most certainly knew who had created him.
After Christ had been baptized and started His ministry,
Satan clearly understood that he must find a way to
disqualify Jesus from replacing him as ruler of the world.
The only way Satan could do this was by causing Jesus
to sin. Satan most certainly believed that it was possible
for Jesus to sin.
Jesus, who was a physical being was subject to the same
needs that the rest of humanity is subject to.
He was surrounded by powerful angels who come to His
defense if required, but He could have sinned.
Jesus prayed to His Father constantly. He relied on
strength from His Father to keep Him from sinning.
If Jesus had sinned, even once, humans would not have
a sacrifice for the death penalty. We would remain dead
for all eternity.
Jesus most certainly knew that He was capable of
sinning.
Before He was to be tempted by Satan Jesus fasted
for 40 days-He ate nothing.
He prayed constantly the entire time. His challenge was
to be the most important challenge in all of history.
There was no reason for Him to so thoroughly prepare
Himself if it were impossible for Him to sin.

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Taq
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Message 1484 of 1864 (908779)
03-20-2023 1:38 PM
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03-20-2023 1:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
The author of the Apocalypse calls himself John.
There are millions of people who call themselves John in the present day. That doesn't make them apostles.
quote:
The author names himself as simply "John" in the text, but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second-century Christian writers such as Papias of Hierapolis, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito of Sardis, Clement of Alexandria, and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation.[5][6] Modern scholarship generally takes a different view,[7] with many considering that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet.[8]
Book of Revelation - Wikipedia
The consensus of modern scholars is that the John of Revelations and the John of Acts are two different people.

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Dredge
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Message 1485 of 1864 (908781)
03-20-2023 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1483 by candle2
03-20-2023 1:34 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
Jesus is the member of the God family that
created everything, both seen and unseen. He even
created all angelic beings, including Satan himself.
Only God can create, therefore Jesus = God.
Thomas the apostle addressed Jesus as "my Lord and my God".
Elizabeth referred to Mary's unborn child (Jesus) as "my Lord", which is a Jewish reference to God.

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