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Author Topic:   Is ID falsifiable by any kind of experiment?
AZPaul3
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Message 406 of 507 (908456)
03-15-2023 8:05 PM
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03-15-2023 7:59 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Tell me again.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 407 of 507 (908465)
03-15-2023 10:12 PM
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03-15-2023 7:59 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
No, you didn't. All you did was assert.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 408 of 507 (908488)
03-16-2023 5:24 AM
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03-15-2023 10:12 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Your opinion does not matter.

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Message 409 of 507 (908520)
03-16-2023 9:35 AM
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03-16-2023 5:24 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
You might want to learn the definitions of words. I did not state an opinion. It was an observation based upon empirical evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 410 of 507 (908537)
03-16-2023 11:04 AM
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03-15-2023 7:54 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Finding a tree pattern does not prove relationship even.
Finding a tree pattern is exactly what we should see if life is related. We see a tree pattern. Therefore, that tree pattern is one of many pieces of evidence for relatedness.
Can you please show me the flaw in this logic?

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Message 411 of 507 (908552)
03-16-2023 6:08 PM
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03-16-2023 11:04 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
It does not prove relationship, period!
You are so dense and biased, that you seem to think otherwise.

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Message 412 of 507 (908558)
03-16-2023 6:24 PM
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03-16-2023 6:08 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
It does not prove relationship, period!
Why doesn't it prove beyond a reasonable doubt that life is related?

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Message 413 of 507 (908562)
03-16-2023 6:32 PM
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03-16-2023 6:24 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
There are things that show tree patterns, but these things have not evolved by cumulating small and random changes.
So logic dictates that pattern does not prove evolution at all. I know you rather want to ignore logic and hold on to your false belief. But that is not how I roll.

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AZPaul3
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Message 414 of 507 (908563)
03-16-2023 6:33 PM
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03-16-2023 6:08 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
It does not prove relationship, period!
All of science disagrees with you. And, of course, we know your intellectual blind spot due to your strong religious bias.
The facts are quite clear. You are quite wrong.
And you still cannot produce this "evidence" of violations of common ancestry and the nested hierarchy in any life system you so boldly insist you have.
Why?
We know why. Such does not exist.
As I said earlier, this was your put-up or shut-up moment, sensei. And as I predicted you are incapable of either.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 415 of 507 (908564)
03-16-2023 6:34 PM
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03-16-2023 6:32 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
There are things that show tree patterns, but these things have not evolved by cumulating small and random changes.
Where is the evidence for this claim?
So logic dictates that pattern does not prove evolution at all. I know you rather want to ignore logic and hold on to your false belief. But that is not how I roll.
All you have is a claim without evidence. Your logic fails.

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Message 416 of 507 (908565)
03-16-2023 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 414 by AZPaul3
03-16-2023 6:33 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Your opinion and false claims are not important.

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Message 417 of 507 (908567)
03-16-2023 6:38 PM
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03-16-2023 6:34 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Hierarchical clustering is a known method, with many variations and distance metrics. All of them produce tree patterns for practically any set of data.
If you are under the illusion that life on earth is the only data that produces nesting, out of the countless of datasets that we have, you are more delusional than flat earthers.

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AZPaul3
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Message 418 of 507 (908569)
03-16-2023 6:39 PM
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03-16-2023 6:34 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Your opinion and false claims are not important.
Not to you, obviously. Your world doesn't deal in reality.
As Taq has said, your inability to substantively address the evidence is noted.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 419 of 507 (908571)
03-16-2023 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by AZPaul3
03-16-2023 6:39 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
All you do is repeating the same useless argument that science agrees with you. You have nothing useful to add.

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AZPaul3
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Message 420 of 507 (908575)
03-16-2023 6:47 PM
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03-16-2023 6:38 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
If you are under the illusion that life on earth is the only data that produces nesting, out of the countless of datasets that we have, you are more delusional than flat earthers.
Your opinion and false claims are not important.
All you do is repeating the same useless argument that science agrees with you. You have nothing useful to add.
That's because science does agree with us. Reality is all there is and needs nothing added. The issue is that YOU cannot show anything otherwise despite your insistence the science is wrong.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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