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Dredge
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Message 888 of 1197 (907297)
02-21-2023 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 862 by Taq
02-21-2023 11:10 AM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
There is a MASSIVE gap between ediacaran and cambrian radiations that evolution can't (sensibly) explain away ... the predicted evolutionary links between ediacaran and cambrian are virtually non-existent ...
Taq writes:
Prove to us that they are non-existent. Show us every single fossil that is in the Earth right now.
Wake me up when the missing fossils are discovered ... meanwhile I'll continue to believe that the Cambrian explosion presents a major problem for the theory of evolution and UCD.

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Dredge
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Message 1034 of 1197 (908472)
03-16-2023 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 866 by Taq
02-21-2023 11:17 AM


Dredge writes:
you know how evolution works, choose one evolutionary transition from the fossil record and describe how it happened.
Taq writes:
So the physical differences between humans and chimps is due to evolutionary mechanisms
You're getting a bit ahead of yourself, old chap .... "evolutionary mechanisms" is the best scientific explanation, but you can't prove that that explanation is correct. Claiming, as you do, that your explanation is a proven fact is typical of the lies that Darwinoids tell.
we can even see the transitional steps in the fossil record.
The array of skulls depicted in the image you supplied is meant to portray the
"transitional steps in the fossil record" , but all you've done is provide yet another shameful example of Darwinoid dishonesty.
What Darwinoids don't tell readers about that image is that:
1. Not all the skulls are not found in the fossil record in the same (alleged) evolutionary sequence depicted in the image. The (alleged) evolutionary sequence is therefore patently fraudulent.
2. Some of the skulls are tiny relative to the size of some of the other skulls. It's like comparing the skull of a marmoset to the skull of a gorilla.
3. There is nothing remotely "evolutionary" about the skeletons belonging to any of the non-human skulls in that image ... skeletons that are no closer to human than any of the non-human primates we see today.

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Dredge
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Message 1035 of 1197 (908475)
03-16-2023 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 867 by dwise1
02-21-2023 11:43 AM


unwise1 writes:
BTW, in that video she states outright that the reason she accepts evolution is because of the data -- the data that Dredge keeps trying to deny.
I accept the scientific evidence that suggests life on earth has gone thru dramatic changes ... that it has "evolved".

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Dredge
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Message 1036 of 1197 (908476)
03-16-2023 3:27 AM
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02-21-2023 11:43 AM


unwise1 writes:
BTW, in that video she states outright that the reason she accepts evolution is because of the data -- the data that Dredge keeps trying to deny.
What is the "data" that I keep trying to deny?

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Dredge
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Message 1037 of 1197 (908478)
03-16-2023 3:49 AM
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02-21-2023 9:07 AM


APauling666 writes:
Or, better, go to your local university, take a semester of biology, evolution or genetics. When you're done come back here and we'll discuss what you learned.
You forgot to mention that the biological sciences as taught at most universities are seriously tainted and distorted by Atheism's preferred creation story ... Darwinism.

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Dredge
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Message 1038 of 1197 (908480)
03-16-2023 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 867 by dwise1
02-21-2023 11:43 AM


unwise1 writes:
Another example of how creationists' and religious fanatics' abject ignorance of science keeps them from understanding the truth comes from a fundamentalist conspiracy theory site from the 90's, Cutting Edge Ministries at http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1260.cfm (link broken):
Everyone knows so-called evangelical so-called churches harbour disproportionate numbers of fruit-cakes and nut-jobs.

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Dredge
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Message 1039 of 1197 (908481)
03-16-2023 4:03 AM
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02-21-2023 11:43 AM


unwise1 writes:
And a large part of the cure for creationist stupidity is education.
And a large part of the cure for Darwinist bullshit is honesty.

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Dredge
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Message 1040 of 1197 (908482)
03-16-2023 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:16 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
You need similarities to form a nested hierarchy.
Taq writes:
And that's what living species have, similarities.
In that case, any two organisms could form a nested hierarchy. A bacterium and a human being form a nested hierarchy ... wait, where have I heard that before?

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Dredge
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Message 1041 of 1197 (908483)
03-16-2023 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 875 by AZPaul3
02-21-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Typical?
Where would Darwinism be without its army of liars ?

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Dredge
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Message 1042 of 1197 (908485)
03-16-2023 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:16 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
I'm claiming that the massive gap in morphology and function between pre-C and C biota is not consistent with the theory of evolution.
Taq writes:
You haven't demonstrated that this gap is real.
You're in denial. If huge evolutionary gaps in the fossil record aren't real, explain why dDawkins wrote this:
"Eldredge and Gould certainly would agree that some very important gaps really are due to imperfections in the fossil record. Very big gaps, too. For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history ...
My point here is that, when we are talking about gaps of this magnitude, there is no difference whatever in the interpretations of 'punctuationists' and 'gradualists'."
(Dawkins, Richard, "The Blind Watchmaker," [1986], Penguin: London, 1991 reprint, p.229-230)

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Dredge
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Message 1043 of 1197 (908486)
03-16-2023 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 883 by AZPaul3
02-21-2023 1:05 PM


Re: Typical?
APauling666 writes:
Have you ever been to a natural history museum?
No ... but I once visited an unnatural history museum.
If you go you can actually see some of these lacking transitionals.
... just like if I go to Disney Land I can actually see Mickey Mouse.

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Dredge
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Message 1044 of 1197 (908487)
03-16-2023 4:47 AM
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02-21-2023 1:05 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla ...
APauling666 writes:
Not lacking, but, unknown to you.
Your ignorance-ridden delusion is APauling.

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Dredge
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Message 1046 of 1197 (908490)
03-16-2023 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 876 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:38 PM


Re: Typical?
You evaded my question ... in other words, you don't know that humans descended from bacteria. So, as usual, you're full of it.

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Dredge
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Message 1047 of 1197 (908491)
03-16-2023 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 884 by Taq
02-21-2023 1:12 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
I accept that nested hierarchies exist within phyla.
Taq writes:
So you accept common ancestry of phyla?
I neither accept nor deny common ancestry within phyla. Like everyone else, I don't know what happened.
Apparently you are unaware of the genetic evidence which forms a nested hierarchy between the phyla.
Genetic evidence can be interpreted as all life forming a nested hierarchy ... or as the Creator using the same biological blueprint to fashion all life ... or both.

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Dredge
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Message 1048 of 1197 (908492)
03-16-2023 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 886 by Taq
02-21-2023 1:18 PM


Re: Typical?
[Taq]When someone says that a theory has been proven true it is in the same sense that someone is proven guilty in a court of law.[/qs] Which scientific theory "has been proven true"?

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