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Choosing to believe

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Message 84 of 90 (908412)
03-14-2023 2:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 75 by rstrats
03-12-2023 2:52 PM

Re: Choosing To Believe
Message 75
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Modulous writes:
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would you actually hold the belief 'fire is cold' by choice?
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nope. I would need evidence.
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rstrats writes:
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I assumed you were saying that you would need evidence in order to choose to believe that fire is cold. I asked you how you would know when you had the evidence?
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You replied - "I suppose when I threw something in the fire and it burned up."
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How would that be evidence that fire is cold?
Fire is fire. It is hot. Always. I would in fact need evidence that fire was cold...and so far I have never seen a cold fire. Does that make sense?
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Message 86 of 90 (908414)
03-14-2023 2:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 85 by PaulK
03-14-2023 2:26 PM

Re: Choosing To Believe
Well...one could argue that you are showing your own egotism by even making such a statement, though I do not see you as ignorant.
Websters:
Egotism--
: excessive use of the first person singular personal pronoun
b
: the practice of talking about oneself too much
2
: an exaggerated sense of self-importance : conceit
I could go so far as to say that your sense of a materialistic universe with "no need" of a Creator is itself willfully ignorant, but why throw gasoline on the fire?
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Message 89 of 90 (908907)
03-23-2023 10:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 88 by rstrats
03-23-2023 6:21 AM

Re: Choosing To Believe
It would be evidence that the fire was hot. (Why are you stuck on this point?)
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I suppose you could argue that any observational "evidence" was inconclusive. But again, move on.
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