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Message 17 of 303 (906704)
02-16-2023 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
02-16-2023 11:32 AM


Re: Will Fascism Come To America?
Phat writes:
Do you have anything more substantive?
Let's go back to the people who protested the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville. This was a in 2017 after Trump took office. Trump openly gave shelter to fascist groups within the Republican party, and they showed up at that protest.
The protesters were heard to be chanting "Blood and Soil", the English version of the Nazi slogan "Blut und Boden". This phrase is perhaps the purest distillation of fascism. It unites ethnicity and ultranationalism, the hallmarks of fascism. These are the types of people who have been emboldened by the current Republican party, and in turn the Republican party has started to bend to their demands and take on their attributes.
The video below is a great explanation of what fascism is. I highly recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T_98uT1IZs

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Message 22 of 303 (906729)
02-16-2023 12:56 PM
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02-16-2023 12:49 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
Phat writes:
I specifically had the African Americans in mind. Of the many diverse cultures, it is their culture that is mentioned as needing compensation.
I don't support reparations, and many liberals do not support reparations. College grants, training grants, and small business loans aimed at disadvantaged minorities would make a lot more sense.
We also have to remember that segregation wasn't that long ago. There are people alive today who lived through it.
It wasn't that long ago where a black person would be followed and shouted at for daring to attend a public university, a university that the black person's tax dollars supported.

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Message 42 of 303 (907500)
02-24-2023 3:31 PM
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02-24-2023 3:25 PM


Re: Forgiveness
xongsmith writes:
i've had in mind a tow truck with each one tied up in a straight jacket, . . .
The worst punishment would be to give them their own country (say a few states in the southeast) and enact their policies in their new country.

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Message 46 of 303 (907504)
02-24-2023 3:42 PM
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02-24-2023 3:40 PM


Re: Forgiveness
xongsmith writes:
But wouldn't that deprive the rest of us a chance to form a cheering crowd lining the streets?
That is a drawback, I will admit. I guess we could attach some cameras to some balloons and drift them over Crazyland.

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Message 49 of 303 (907507)
02-24-2023 3:58 PM
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02-24-2023 3:45 PM


Re: Forgiveness
Phat writes:
Crazy land? Isn't that the town that Mayor Pete used to run?
Crazyland is where there are Jewish funded space lasers, id transmitters in vaccines, voting machines from Venezuela, CRT everywhere, and the like. In Crazyland you don't get removed from office if you claim that the vote was rigged. They will also get rid of all taxes and socialism (i.e. Medicare, SS). All religious freedoms are taken away since it will be a Christian theocracy.

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Message 54 of 303 (907513)
02-24-2023 5:31 PM
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02-24-2023 4:51 PM


Re: Justifiable Extremism?
jar writes:
Repealing safety and maintenance requirements as well as liability risks.
Absolutely. In Crazyland, if a train wrecks and spills toxic chemicals everywhere don't expect the government or the company that spilled it to do anything. Nope, "government is the problem" is the Republican motto, so they won't be showing up. Good luck to anyone affected by the toxic spill since Crazyland is all about "personal responsibility".
Makes one wonder if they will make it more than 1 generation with toxic drinking water, open pits of nuclear waste, and the like.

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Message 117 of 303 (908087)
03-07-2023 11:13 AM
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03-07-2023 3:57 AM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat writes:
If so, the US is far from having a totalitarian government(with or without Trump).
Trump and his followers attempted to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after Trump lost an election. That has all the hallmarks of a fascist movement. If they weren't stopped then we would have a fascist government (when combined with all of the other fascist characteristics of the Trump and Conservative movement).
We here in America enjoy a Pluralistic Society as opposed to a Fascist Autocracy.
That society is slowly being taken away in conservative states, such as the banning of public drag shows, and overall punishment of minority groups like transsexuals. We even have Conservative Senators now saying that if you move to a conservative state and once voted Democrat that you should have your voting rights taken away for an extended period. Even worse, some conservative states are now considering if they can just override the people of the state and directly appoint federal seats in the US Congress.

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Message 125 of 303 (908111)
03-07-2023 1:55 PM
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03-07-2023 12:13 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat writes:
You have a point. Personally, I think that both political parties need an overhaul.
That's like saying the house caving in on itself and the house with a broken window both need work done.
A lot depends on how far he gets within the Republican Party and whether or not they will challenge him or fall in line behind him.
Trump will get a solid 30-40% of the primary vote, so the other contenders need to be smart and consolidate behind one non-Trump.

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Message 149 of 303 (908230)
03-09-2023 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Phat
03-09-2023 12:41 PM


Re: Grinding America Down
Phat writes:
I know the evil that is communism and socialism.
Social Security and Medicare are evil?
Would you consider Denmark to be evil? Do you think the people in the socialist country of Denmark are happier or less happy than Americans?

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Message 157 of 303 (908315)
03-10-2023 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Phat
03-10-2023 1:42 AM


Re: Grinding America Down
Phat writes:
I won't ever soften my stance regarding communism.
Communism as a concept isn't evil, per se. One could argue that Marxist philosophies are evil in certain ways, I would agree there. However, the idea of the workers owning the means of production isn't evil in and of itself. What was evil is the groups of people who implemented communism.
The Chinese Communist Party is the greatest threat to human existence since nuclear weapons.
The threat they pose is not because of their economic policies, which have become quite capitalist in the last few decades.

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Message 159 of 303 (908321)
03-10-2023 4:24 PM
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03-10-2023 3:52 PM


Re: Above Down Inside Out
Phat writes:
Fact: China does not have a classless society. The CCP is 90 million strong and call all the shots. The CCP is a top down system headed by Xi, president for life.
Are you saying China is not communist?

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Message 169 of 303 (908367)
03-13-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Phat
03-10-2023 7:17 PM


Re: Above Down Inside Out
Phat writes:
China is both Communist and Fascist.
You said that you wanted to define what communism is, and you gave this definition:
"While communism is a system based around a theory of economic equality and advocates for a classless society,"
You then said:
"China does not have a classless society."
By your definition, China is not communist.

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Message 184 of 303 (908432)
03-15-2023 11:38 AM
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03-15-2023 1:48 AM


Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes:
They have 4 times the people that the US has. Its about time that they spent more money than anyone else.
China GDP: 17.7 Trillion
US GDP: 23.3 Trillion
China GDP/capita = 12,500
US GDP/capita = 70,200
More people does not equal more money. With a smaller GDP than the US the Chinese have to support almost 5 times the population.

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Message 186 of 303 (908436)
03-15-2023 1:54 PM
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03-15-2023 11:46 AM


Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes:
Tough. It's not our sole job to save the planet
No one is saying that it is. You are claiming that China should spend more than anyone else while implying they have the most money. This just isn't true.
China has bought our T-Bills and supported our inflated dollar for close to 50 years. When they (soon)dump those T-Bills back on us, you will see the result.
You assume that China dumping T-bills will hurt the US. As it stands, the US is perhaps the strongest economy in the world at the moment.
They have lured us with cheap merchandise and allowed us to feed our standard of living at their own peoples expense! (The CCP is straight up manipulative and evil) Now you are telling me that WE should pay the bill and not them?
However evil you think China is it doesn't excuse your attempts to put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say that the US should shoulder all bills. I simply pointed out that the US has more money than the China so it doesn't make much sense to claim that China should spend more than everyone else.
We are not globalist leaders suckered into paying everything while our middle class suffers.
We aren't paying for everything and no one is saying that the US should pay for everything.

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Message 195 of 303 (908530)
03-16-2023 10:43 AM
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03-16-2023 9:32 AM


Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes:
No political party has the right to take money from the people and use it to bail out the government.
Congress does have that right, as spelled out in the US Constitution.
When every other nation sees it happening, it will be like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The dollars days are numbered.
The US dollars is one of, if not, the strongest currency in existence right now.
Get back to me in 6 months. We will see who emerges once the dust settles.
I'm guessing you said that 6 months ago, too.

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