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Message 915 of 1197 (907625)
02-27-2023 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 914 by sensei
02-27-2023 4:09 AM


Re: Typical?
If that is all you see, then your knowledge is very limited.
Reality does indeed place limits on our knowledge. No religious fantasies allowed.

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Message 922 of 1197 (907654)
02-27-2023 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by sensei
02-27-2023 1:47 PM


Re: Typical?
Just don't push it down everyones throat as being an indisputable fact.
But the nested hierarchy IS indisputable fact. You can't show otherwise.
You haven't disputed it. All you have done is bitch about it. You show no reasonable argument to call it into question and you most certainly have no alternatives.
That fact is firmly stuck in your throat and you cannot dislodge it.
You need more evidence for that.
What evidence that has been given you do you dispute? Other than rote "you're wrong" do you have any cogent reasons or evidence to dispute it?
You seem to focus so much on this nested pattern.
It is an important point of discussion. A nested hierarchy destroys ID. That is why the nested hierarchy is so much a part of these ID discussions through the decades. You try to call it into question in order to counter that destruction. Didn't work.

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Message 928 of 1197 (907685)
02-27-2023 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 925 by sensei
02-27-2023 5:06 PM


Re: Typical?
Have I asked you to prove a pattern or to prove common ancestry?
You won't be that dumb. Common descent is already an accepted scientific fact evidenced by thousands, millions, of data points. The preponderance of the evidence is clear. It is already proven.
We, on the other hand, have nothing from you on your anti-evolution ID stance. That is where the discussion should be. But you have not (cannot) provide any such arguments and evidence.
You complain that a bacterium could not evolve into the myriad of complex life we presently see and this planet. Why? What mechanism have you evidence for that would stop it?
You ask us to believe in your ID. But you can't tell us what it is. You lie about evolution. You present no alternatives.
You are not doing well in this self-imposed religious task.

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Message 932 of 1197 (907693)
02-27-2023 6:45 PM
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02-27-2023 6:05 PM


Re: Typical?
The dispute is about common ancestry.
There is no dispute about common ancestry. It is a demonstrable fact. Seeing the nested pattern is yet another fact in evidence supporting the process. The two subjects are inextricably linked. Yes, this discussion is about the nested hierarchy and the common ancestry it helps to prove.

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Message 936 of 1197 (907702)
02-27-2023 7:43 PM
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02-27-2023 7:00 PM


Re: Typical?
You don't even understand what proof means.
There is a pop culture definition and there is a math definition. There is no scientific definition. Did you know there were different definitions of that word? Can you tell which one I was using?

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Message 972 of 1197 (907897)
03-01-2023 3:02 PM
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03-01-2023 1:31 PM


Re: Typical?
Ahh, yes. Dueling dictionaries. One of the dishonest creationists favorite ploys.
Would you like me to define ploy for you?

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Message 978 of 1197 (908020)
03-05-2023 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 977 by sensei
03-05-2023 9:48 AM


Re: Typical?
Hierarchy: Any system of things ranked one above another.
In evolution a nested hierarchy is shown by population groups that emerge as offspring from earlier population groups.
You are not going to hurt nested hierarchies. They are here in reality and have been shown with no doubt. The reality is well known to evolutionary science. Evolution happens as our models predict nested hierarchies and all.

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Message 987 of 1197 (908138)
03-08-2023 8:42 AM
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03-08-2023 5:41 AM


Re: Typical?
How do you define context?

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Message 994 of 1197 (908172)
03-09-2023 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 991 by sensei
03-09-2023 5:08 AM


Re: Typical?
How do you define troll?
A troll is an internet denizen named sensei who has no knowledge of science yet insists he can defeat evolution. Though this sensei troll is more the fool with major misunderstandings on evidence, logic and argument, he emotionally baits and insults opponents when he has no evidence for his illogical and insane religious fantasy. Unfortunately, that means always.

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Message 1007 of 1197 (908234)
03-09-2023 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by sensei
03-09-2023 1:05 PM


Re: Typical?
What is a hierarchy?
Even after all these explanations you still cannot answer your own question. You prove yet again you know nothing.
If you cannot understand a simple concept like the nested hierarchy you will be hopelessly lost when you get to natural selection.
Creationist dunce without a clue.

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Message 1012 of 1197 (908265)
03-09-2023 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1009 by sensei
03-09-2023 3:59 PM


Re: Typical?
I asked for a definition. Not an explanation.
And you have received them many times but you are too intellectually stunted to recognise them. You still have no idea what you are talking about. You try to fight against things that you don't understand and you are looking more and more foolish with each post.

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Message 1021 of 1197 (908290)
03-09-2023 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by sensei
03-09-2023 5:51 PM


Re: Typical?
So the claim of observing nested hierarchy is doubtful at best.
No. The data is well documented, the models are well tested and the nested hierarchy is a reality. The only ones who question this are the nut cases seeking to advance their gods. In other words, stupid ID/Creationists.
Then you need to specify before looking at data, what is a hierarchy, in the first place.
No, fool! That is exactly what you DO NOT do. You let the data show what is there. In the case of evolution what we found in the structure of the data is what we have called a nested hierarchy.
You, on the other hand, want to pre-judge the results so you can further your false religious fantasy.

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Message 1027 of 1197 (908296)
03-09-2023 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1023 by sensei
03-09-2023 6:23 PM


Re: Typical?
A prediction is done before observation, dumb ape!
Once we have a model, yes. The part you forget is you let the data build the model, then you test the model by making predictions.
Predictions of new data come after the model. Initial data, observation, comes before the model.
So you didn't know this either. You really do know nothing. This dumb ape is smarter than you. No surprise.

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Message 1031 of 1197 (908457)
03-15-2023 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1030 by sensei
03-15-2023 8:04 PM


Re: Typical?
Worthless claim if you cannot define hierarchy even, before making the prediction.
We have. You are just too stupid to comprehend.

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Message 1033 of 1197 (908467)
03-15-2023 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1032 by sensei
03-15-2023 9:20 PM


Re: Typical?
Yes, I did say that. And I'll say it again next time you say something stupid.
But, I like the new topic proposal. You draw pretty pictures and all but I'm more interested in what interpretations and conclusions you draw from each chart and from the aggregate.
I look forward to your broadside shot at evolution through manipulation of genetic probability numbers. Of course it's all been tried before and failed but your tack seems interesting.
I await its promotion.

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