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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
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Message 539 of 1104 (907881)
03-01-2023 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by sensei
03-01-2023 1:19 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Sure, in your puny little mind.
I'm not the one who has to stoop to insults.

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Message 542 of 1104 (907905)
03-01-2023 4:29 PM
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03-01-2023 1:41 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
It's an observation that fits the model of a simpelton mind.
Again, all you have is insults. Why can't you address the science?

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Message 545 of 1104 (908086)
03-07-2023 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 543 by sensei
03-05-2023 9:44 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
and you keep responding with poor logic and fallacies.
If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that it is poor logic if someone says that the observations which match a theory's predictions is evidence for the theory. Am I getting that right?

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Message 552 of 1104 (908199)
03-09-2023 12:27 PM
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03-08-2023 5:40 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Evidence is not proof, but you argue with logic as if it is.
Where?
If you can't even admit that something is evidence, what reason is there to argue about proof?

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Message 554 of 1104 (908212)
03-09-2023 12:45 PM
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03-09-2023 12:40 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
You evolutionists here claim that evolution is fact, because the data you chose, fits the model you made up.
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Now you are confusing theory and fact. There are facts of evolution. There is also the theory of evolution. The facts of evolution are the empirical observations such as the nested hierarchy. The theory of evolution explains those facts. The match between the facts and the theory is what supports the theory. This is how all of science is done.
You also seem to be accusing us of cherry picking the data. Can you even start to back this up?
You don't know what facts are.
Facts are verifiable, objective observations. One example is the nested hierarchy. This observation was first described by Linnaeus in the 1700's. Linnaeus was actually a creationist, so it isn't as if the nested hierarchy is something evolutionists have dreamt up.

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Message 556 of 1104 (908222)
03-09-2023 1:06 PM
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03-09-2023 12:59 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Facts are things that are true with absolute certainty.
No, they aren't. Now you are the one making false claims about absolute certainty. Go figure.

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Message 558 of 1104 (908228)
03-09-2023 1:12 PM
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03-09-2023 1:09 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
I told you, you did not know what facts were.
You don't know what facts are. Facts are never viewed as being absolutely true. Facts are measurements, and they can be wrong.

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Message 564 of 1104 (908246)
03-09-2023 3:38 PM
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03-09-2023 3:36 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
It's possible to change solid ice water to liquid form, by adding heat / energy for example.
Your model is that heat causes phase changes. Your evidence is the observation that there are phase changes when heat is added. Is it bad logic to say that heat is responsible for phase changes?

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Message 567 of 1104 (908261)
03-09-2023 4:07 PM
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03-09-2023 3:54 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
I don't need a model for that.
Yes, you do.
It would be bad logic to claim that everything that can be liquified, is water, just because we have such an abundance of water as evidence to support this claim.
We could use experiments to disprove those predictions, such as melting lead. But of course, you would reject such demonstrations as bad logic.

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Message 570 of 1104 (908267)
03-09-2023 4:27 PM
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03-09-2023 4:26 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Same, we have data that falls outside of common ancestor prediction.
Like what?

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Message 584 of 1104 (908538)
03-16-2023 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 583 by sensei
03-15-2023 9:18 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
The heat was an example. Fact remains that ice can melt.
Theories explain why we observe ice melting in certain situations, and those theories are supported by the same types of evidence and logic that is used in the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is no different than any other scientific theory.

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Message 586 of 1104 (908557)
03-16-2023 6:23 PM
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03-16-2023 6:09 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
More usseless and inaccurate claims.
Your inability to substantively address the evidence is noted.

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Message 588 of 1104 (908573)
03-16-2023 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by sensei
03-16-2023 6:43 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
No, you are making the dumbest claims. The kind of evidence for ice melting is very much different than the evidence for evolution. Sorry, your stupidity does not work on me.
Is this all you have? Insults?

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Message 590 of 1104 (908579)
03-16-2023 6:50 PM
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03-16-2023 6:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
You are insulting with your lame claims. Argue with facts or zip it, as I have no use for your opinions and vague assertions.
The nested hierarchy is a fact, not an opinion or an assertion.
If you think common ancestry and evolution would not produce a nested hierarchy, then explain why.

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Message 610 of 1104 (908758)
03-20-2023 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 591 by sensei
03-18-2023 4:56 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Many things produce nested hierarchies.
Two of those things is common ancestry and evolution.

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