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Theodoric
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Message 121 of 303 (908092)
03-07-2023 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Phat
03-07-2023 11:40 AM


Re: Tax The Working Class
Do you seriously think that this country would be great if the Democratic Party were the only party in town?
Has anyone advocated for this?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 122 of 303 (908094)
03-07-2023 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
03-07-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Insert Theodorics Rant Here
I do not dismiss experts in their field just because I disagree. While this is something you do nonstop. Maybe you should learn what the word hubris means.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 123 of 303 (908095)
03-07-2023 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Theodoric
03-07-2023 11:04 AM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Im more interested in whether or not you agree with us that the CCP is not beneficial to/for the rest of the world or not. What say you?

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Phat
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Message 124 of 303 (908097)
03-07-2023 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Theodoric
03-07-2023 12:13 PM


Re: Tax The Working Class
Theodoric writes:
Has anyone advocated for this?
Not specifically. I am addressing xongsmith based on what he said in Message 72

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Message 125 of 303 (908111)
03-07-2023 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
03-07-2023 12:13 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat writes:
You have a point. Personally, I think that both political parties need an overhaul.
That's like saying the house caving in on itself and the house with a broken window both need work done.
A lot depends on how far he gets within the Republican Party and whether or not they will challenge him or fall in line behind him.
Trump will get a solid 30-40% of the primary vote, so the other contenders need to be smart and consolidate behind one non-Trump.

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Theodoric
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Message 126 of 303 (908113)
03-07-2023 2:14 PM
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03-07-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Tax The Working Class
Then why do you keep bringing up that strawman if no one has made the argument? You are the only one that has said anything about a single party. Why can you not be an honest debater?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 127 of 303 (908114)
03-07-2023 2:15 PM
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03-07-2023 12:17 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Why is the CCP relevant to fascism in America?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 128 of 303 (908119)
03-07-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Theodoric
03-07-2023 2:15 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Theodoric writes:
Why is the CCP relevant to fascism in America?
Because for one thing, China will become the dominant economic power within 10 years. The United States will likely experience a major reset(collapse,recession/depression,major overhaul) within five years.
Add to that the fact that the CCP is 90 million strong and controls China.
Perhaps a better question to ask is this: Is the CCP Fascist?

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Message 129 of 303 (908122)
03-07-2023 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
03-06-2023 12:34 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Are you suggesting that fascism could spring from the Far Left as well as the Far Right? Ive heard that before. Our old member Faith used to call the "Left" Fascists. What do you think?
To call the current Republicans fascist is the same as calling U.S. framers fascist. With adjustments for 200 + years of changing times, there is no difference between them. Liberals can't call U.S. framers fascist, to do so would expose them as the America haters they really are. They actually despise U.S. framers as much as they do today's Republicans.
U.S. framers, as well as Republicans up to only a couple of decades ago, didn't have to deal with small children being exposed to drag shows. Didn't have to deal with new countless atheist perversions of gay marriages, tranny boys competing in girls sports, openly gay political figures and mainstream media anchors, on and on.
Liberals delight in the John Adams quote about the U.S. not being founded on the Christian religion. But he also said this;
quote:
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
John Adams - Our Constitution was made only for a moral...
The "fascist" term is largely outdated, since it refers first and foremost to the dictatorship of Benito Mussolini, of almost 100 years ago. Only a small minority of U.S. liberals have dredged it up recently as a way of name-calling Republicans. The term "conservative" is a desirable label, many people claim it who aren't actually conservative. The terms "liberal" and "atheist" aren't as desirable as "conservative", but they can be grudgingly accepted. "Fascist", "racist" "nazi"- those are the real offensive ones.
Mussolini's fascism included "nationalism". A patriotism, a loyalty to a dictator. Let's look at the definition of nationalism;
quote:
1)spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation.
2)devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism.
3)excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4)the desire for national advancement or political independence.
5)the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
6)an idiom or trait peculiar to a nation
U.S. founders can be accused of those things just as easily as today's Republicans can. Liberals falsely equate fascism with Trump's "Make America Great Again". "Great" might have been the translated Italian word that Mussolini used. But they conveniently forget about Lyndon Johnson's term, "Great Society". No one that I know of called him a fascist. It's hard (impossible) to find an offensive term for traditionalists who promote liberty and limited government. Liberals attempts to use the fascist label has done little more than expose the fascism in themselves, that Taq's link, especially minutes 3 thru 5, clearly exposes. It demonstrates perfectly the fascism in climate change alarmism.
Mussolini was no fan of free speech. The way you and I get insulted here, don't you think the word fascism fits? Cheers went up here, when Faith was banned. Cheers went up nationwide when Trump was banned from Twitter. Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff, and many in the mainstream media are calling for censorship of Fox News. Pure fascism. Republicans don't even come close to it.
Mussolini favored gun control.
They call the very small January 6th riot as fascism, while saying nothing about BLM riots all over the country, which were dozens of times bigger. They say nothing about their fascist cries of "Trump Russian Collusion" in 2017, which were all fascist lies, proven as lies by a multi-million dollar investigation. It goes on and on, in their lust for increasing government power. Just like Mussolini desired.

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xongsmith
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Message 130 of 303 (908126)
03-08-2023 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by marc9000
03-07-2023 9:40 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
marc9k spews his hatred all over EvC...
What unmitigated whale dreck his brain is!
and Phat - WhyTF did you give this piece of shit a cheer?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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nwr
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Message 131 of 303 (908140)
03-08-2023 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by xongsmith
03-08-2023 3:03 AM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
and Phat - WhyTF did you give this piece of shit a cheer?
That tells you more about Phat than you wanted to know.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity --> -->

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Theodoric
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Message 132 of 303 (908141)
03-08-2023 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by nwr
03-08-2023 8:55 AM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
But what we knew already.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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xongsmith
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Message 133 of 303 (908147)
03-08-2023 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by nwr
03-08-2023 8:55 AM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat needs a dope-slapping with wet noodles upside his face.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 134 of 303 (908148)
03-08-2023 6:26 PM
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03-08-2023 5:07 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat needs a dope-slapping with wet noodles upside his face.
Are you implying that when that happens none of the noodles will stick? Regardless of however many times that is tried with however many noodles?

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nwr
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Message 135 of 303 (908149)
03-08-2023 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by xongsmith
03-08-2023 5:07 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat needs a dope-slapping with wet noodles upside his face.
I just ran into this:
QAnon continues to thrive in the heart of the Republican Party
Phat believes in some of these ideas about spirits occupying people. So he may be susceptible to this kind of qanonsense.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity --> -->

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