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Topic: When Fascism Comes To America
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 106 of 283 (908056)
03-06-2023 11:29 AM
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Insert Theodorics Rant Here
(Theodoric started one of his liberal rants directed at Fascists Conservatives which I am redirecting here. )
Theodoric, addressing GDR writes: Jordan Peterson? People actually take seriously what he has to say? He is a misogynistic, drug-addled bag of flatulence. He is the poster child of spouting idiocy outside of his area of expertise. He is a clinical psychologist. Nothing more. He is not an expert in anything else.
Phat writes: It's funny how you say nearly the same thing about all of the conservatives yet very few liberal/moderates are in your critiques. Sam Harris was the lone exception, assuming he is even liberal Sloppy as usual. I should have checked Harris's ideological credentials, shouldn't I? After all, we all know that liberal socialists are so smart and fair while the evil capitalists who dare to earn more than their neighbors are villains. Right? 
Theo writes: No one seems to use liberals as experts outside of their field of expertise. That seems to be a right-wing issue. Give me an example of a liberal that spouts shit they are not an expert in. Sam Harris is like Peterson. Thinks he is an expert on subjects he has no clue about. Interesting you do not address my criticisms of Peterson, but instead, throw up a straw man argument. You may not have noticed, but I work for a living and dont have every idle second to devote to you. In addition, I will admit that I tend to run rather than think. I am quite capable of both, however. Edited by Phat, .
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 107 of 283 (908058)
03-06-2023 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Phat
03-06-2023 11:29 AM
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Re: Insert Theodorics Rant Here
Theo writes: Give me an example of a liberal that spouts shit they are not an expert in. Paul Krugman. Joe Biden. I would include the Federal Reserve chairman, but I am unsure if he is liberal or not. I DO know that he is WRONG! 
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 108 of 283 (908059)
03-06-2023 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Theodoric
03-04-2023 6:34 PM
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Re: Tax The RichTax The Working Class(?!!)
My point is that he agrees with some of my arguments rather than attempting to tear each one to shreds.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 109 of 283 (908061)
03-06-2023 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by marc9000
03-04-2023 10:08 PM
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Tax The Working & Save The Planet
marc9000 writes: Did you watch the rather long link Taq put up in Message 17 Did you at least get through the part from about 3 1/2 to the 5 minute mark? I can't take the time to copy it word for word, but to summarize, he talks about how fascism is about a "psychological law of the mental unity of crowds." When individuals identify with crowds, they lose the ability to think for themselves. Crowd psychology acts as a hypnotizer. Fascism seeks to sway the crowd by telling them what they want to hear. To "emotionally charge the crowd to ideas that get them excited. Climate change activism excites liberals because they believe new laws will harm "the rich". The climate change narrative continues day by day - ABC World News Tonight (that I regularly watch) spends a considerable portion of their half-hour news show each evening sensationalizing about the weather, no matter how normal snow is in winter, heat is in summer, in past history. Climate change alarmism is fascism in its purest form. Are you suggesting that fascism could spring from the Far Left as well as the Far Right? Ive heard that before. Our old member Faith used to call the "Left" Fascists. What do you think?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8478 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 110 of 283 (908064)
03-06-2023 12:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Phat
03-06-2023 11:29 AM
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Re: Insert Theodorics Rant Here
So you have nothing. As expected.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8478 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 111 of 283 (908065)
03-06-2023 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
03-06-2023 12:23 PM
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Re: Insert Theodorics Rant Here
They are experts in their fields and they talk within their expertise. Just because you do not agree does not make them not experts. Damn you have hubris.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8478 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 112 of 283 (908066)
03-06-2023 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by Phat
03-06-2023 12:27 PM
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Re: Tax The RichTax The Working Class(?!!)
So he is polite and does not point out your idiocy. Still have no idea what your point was.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8478 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 113 of 283 (908067)
03-06-2023 12:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
03-06-2023 12:34 PM
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Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Learn what fascism means.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2508 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 114 of 283 (908068)
03-06-2023 12:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 104 by marc9000
03-04-2023 10:08 PM
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Re: Tax The RichTax The Working Class(?!!)
Marc9K barfs out:
"Start", "so on", "gradually" easy to see that many tax-the-rich advocates aren't satisfied with current proposals of taxing only those making $400,000 per year or more, they want to see gradual increases in the future that will include those making less than that, as well as assets that two other posters here deny could be threatened with new taxes. FUCK YOU! I never advocated raising taxes on those under $400K!!! You shit-for-brains idiot. Gradually increasing the Biden rates up to the Eisenhower 50+ % rates for those over 1 million incomes. Maybe my tongue-in-cheek public firing-squad execution on LIVE TV of those over 2 Billion was sarcasm that went over your tiny head.. Nothing increases for those under 400K.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 115 of 283 (908077)
03-07-2023 3:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 113 by Theodoric
03-06-2023 12:50 PM
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Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
ChatGPT:
Fascism is a political ideology that advocates for a totalitarian government led by a single party or leader, often characterized by authoritarianism, nationalism, and a belief in the supremacy of one's own race or nation. Fascist regimes typically seek to exert complete control over society through propaganda, censorship, and the suppression of individual freedoms and civil liberties. Fascist ideology often involves a focus on militarism and aggression, with the belief that military strength and conquest are essential to national greatness. It also tends to be highly hierarchical, with a rigid social structure that places great importance on loyalty and obedience to the state or the ruling party.
So is the Bot right?If so, the US is far from having a totalitarian government(with or without Trump). Some of us do believe that our nation is superior to others, however. My Shen Yun friends and I are against the CCP and the regime in China.You would be hard pressed to argue otherwise. We here in America enjoy a Pluralistic Society as opposed to a Fascist Autocracy. Granted some of us are more Nationalistic and less Globalistic. We dislike the idea that America owes the world anything. Perhaps Jesus would disagree, to be fair.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8478 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 116 of 283 (908084)
03-07-2023 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by Phat
03-07-2023 3:57 AM
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Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
I don't give a rat's ass about what some lame chat bot has to say. Your obsession with it seems odd.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq
Member Posts: 9724 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 3.1
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Message 117 of 283 (908087)
03-07-2023 11:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by Phat
03-07-2023 3:57 AM
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Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat writes: If so, the US is far from having a totalitarian government(with or without Trump). Trump and his followers attempted to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after Trump lost an election. That has all the hallmarks of a fascist movement. If they weren't stopped then we would have a fascist government (when combined with all of the other fascist characteristics of the Trump and Conservative movement).
We here in America enjoy a Pluralistic Society as opposed to a Fascist Autocracy. That society is slowly being taken away in conservative states, such as the banning of public drag shows, and overall punishment of minority groups like transsexuals. We even have Conservative Senators now saying that if you move to a conservative state and once voted Democrat that you should have your voting rights taken away for an extended period. Even worse, some conservative states are now considering if they can just override the people of the state and directly appoint federal seats in the US Congress.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 118 of 283 (908088)
03-07-2023 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Theodoric
03-06-2023 12:47 PM
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Re: Insert Theodorics Rant Here
Theodoric writes: Damn you have hubris. Pot meet Kettle
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 119 of 283 (908089)
03-07-2023 11:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 114 by xongsmith
03-06-2023 12:50 PM
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Tax The Working Class
KingXong writes: Nothing increases for those under 400K. Can we get that in writing? No, I respect you,xongsmith. I just cant get why you lump all Republicans under Trump and then rant about their collective inhumanity and greed. Do you seriously think that this country would be great if the Democratic Party were the only party in town? Or am I misunderstanding your ideology?
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Phat
Member Posts: 17615 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 120 of 283 (908091)
03-07-2023 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 117 by Taq
03-07-2023 11:13 AM
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Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
You have a point. Personally, I think that both political parties need an overhaul. I also believe that Trump is not finished, though I doubted he would win if he even ran until recently. I can see him mounting a serious challenge to the current status quo but the jury is still out on whether he will or could win. A lot depends on how far he gets within the Republican Party and whether or not they will challenge him or fall in line behind him.
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