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Message 2077 of 3694 (906346)
02-10-2023 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2070 by Phat
02-10-2023 3:12 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Phat re: resurrection writes:
Reality says nothing of the sort.
Oh it most certainly does. The is no verified instance of anyone coming back from death. You have only the stories of your religion's fantasies from often badly re-copied scrolls of suspect origin and no independent corroborating sources. You have nothing.
Resurrection is an evil myth meant to dazel and cower the minds of the sheep. It is fantasy written in other peoples' blood.

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Message 2089 of 3694 (906550)
02-13-2023 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2088 by Phat
02-13-2023 11:55 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
... rather than searching for a higher authority.
Phat? We've been looking for your higher authority for four millennia now. It's time to read the tea leaves. There is nothing there and we have stopped wasting our efforts on such foolishness.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2100 of 3694 (906657)
02-15-2023 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2099 by GDR
02-15-2023 5:00 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
You can't find any evidence to answer the question so you have to take other things into consideration to form a conclusion that you can't know absolutely what the answer is.
Except we require two points you want to skip over. The "other things" to be considered must be real. They must be evidenced to be considered.
Second, if you can't find any evidence to answer the question then you cannot answer the question. You cannot just invent something you personally would like there to be and try to shoehorn it into an answer.
Your view here, GDR, is that a lack of disproof, a lack of information, is all you require for you to prove your reality. Fantasy world.
If you don't know why the rock rolled down then you cannot insist it was shot out of a cannon, kicked by a dog or moved by some god. You do not know. Accept it.

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Message 2102 of 3694 (906659)
02-15-2023 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2101 by GDR
02-15-2023 5:37 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Sure we have examples of the non-physical affecting the physical such as gravity or dark matter.
That is way wrong. GDR, I thought you keep saying you respect the knowledge of science, at least to a point. Gravity and dark matter and dark energy are all physical phenomenon. Nothing non-physical about them.

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Message 2104 of 3694 (906679)
02-15-2023 11:33 PM
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02-15-2023 8:40 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I'd be interested in your definition of the word.
In these types of discussions there is only one useful definition of what is physical and what is not.​ Does its composition and behavior conform to the Standard Model?
If so then it is a physical item. If not then it cannot, does not, exist in this universe.
Dark matter is a mystery. We cannot say what it is. That should not knee-jerk to non-physical. We have never seen anything non-physical in the structure or workings of this universe so we can't reasonable expect dark matter to be any different.
Gravity, as we understand it presently, is a geometric property of spacetime. It is the 3-d table on which matter is moved around by the bends and curves in the spacetime table. All reality seems embedded in this frothing roiling ocean of gravity constantly pulling and pushing everywhere.
There is no non-physical in a cosmology/reality/physics world like ours. Yes, we can discuss the physical bio-chemical basis of emotion and the physical evolutionary reasons for their rise in humanity.
We know these things better than I think most people appreciate. It is all physical.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2107 of 3694 (906696)
02-16-2023 9:45 AM
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02-16-2023 1:54 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
Once again you point to a process as an explanation of why the process exists ...
I wish I knew what that means. All we have are processes. "Why" is an emotional judgement call. These physical processes exist because the universe's basic processes require it. There is no choice. You put enough H2 under compression you get fusion. There is no option. That is the way the fine structure constant and gravity work. What are you asking "why"? What does "why" ask?

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Message 2114 of 3694 (907095)
02-18-2023 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2113 by GDR
02-18-2023 6:49 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I can assure you I am very interested in the truth.
But, you mean as long as your understanding of the truth leaves enough wiggle room and areas of question to entertain unevidenced illogical flights of fantasy, right?

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Message 2160 of 3694 (907697)
02-27-2023 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2159 by GDR
02-27-2023 6:36 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I'm certainly out of my depth here but a scan will show thought in the brain and we can deduce certain information regarding that thought but it doesn't tell us precisely what a thought is.
A thought is an electrical cascade through parts of the brain. That electro-chemical action produces the brain wave pattern we record. Of course the thought results in an electrical signal. They are physical electro-chemical processes.
Their meaning depends on the which neurons the cascade goes through. Thoughts are physical processes with physical results.
Machines That Read Your Brain Waves - Scientific American

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AZPaul3
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Message 2163 of 3694 (907709)
02-27-2023 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2162 by GDR
02-27-2023 8:15 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Does the scan show us which meal he picked.
I don't know that this has been tested. I should tell you that in my case I would be picking both, but that's just me.
I can only assume that if the experimental design were robust enough then yes. If they can read brainwaves well enough to control prosthetics then seeing "pizza" or "tacos" in the wave pattern should be child's play.
Neuroscientists to develop brain-controlled prosthetic limbs - UChicago Medicine

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Message 2165 of 3694 (907725)
02-27-2023 9:22 PM
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02-27-2023 9:07 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Big Brother is getting realy realy big ... and scary.

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Message 2187 of 3694 (907986)
03-04-2023 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2185 by GDR
03-04-2023 1:58 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
How do you know that God doesn't influence your thoughts?
What makes you think it has? What makes you think it can?
Other than your wishful thinking, why does this thought exist? Is there anything to indicate that such is possible?

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Message 2195 of 3694 (908011)
03-05-2023 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2192 by Tangle
03-05-2023 4:22 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
How does one give multiple cheers?
Here Tangle. These are for you.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2203 of 3694 (908040)
03-05-2023 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2202 by GDR
03-05-2023 7:53 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
BS,GDR. You are not that kind of person. Yours is not an injured soul. Just your head is damaged.
You would make an excellent humanist if you could only get your head out of the fantasy.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2205 of 3694 (908042)
03-05-2023 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2204 by GDR
03-05-2023 7:59 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I suggest that it is healthy to know that when you sacrifice your own resources for a stranger that it is all on account of you being a good guy.
Very good. Yes that is right. No god necessary for a good soul to do good.

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Message 2239 of 3694 (908298)
03-09-2023 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2236 by GDR
03-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
However, what the paper doesn't and can't answer, is why those processes exist in the first place, nor can it tell whether or not there is an external non-material influence, (amongst many others), on the thoughts that are formed.
The paper provides an answer to evolution of emotions. You really expect a paper about the reality of the universe to answer questions about your unevidenced majik? Why should anyone have to explain your fantasies?
That we cannot prove/disprove your dreams does not lend them any credence at all. There is still nothing there, GDR. That you think there is, that's the fantasy, your mental disconnect from reality. That is the poison of religious thought.

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