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Message 2090 of 3694 (906551)
02-13-2023 12:16 PM
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02-13-2023 12:13 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Yes I know. You would prefer to smoke the tea leaves and dream about human potential!

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Message 2096 of 3694 (906584)
02-13-2023 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2095 by Taq
02-13-2023 3:40 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Taq writes:
If you are claiming that a process has effects on the physical world then it is physical.
Which could explain why God had to "become" Physical in order to influence the physical world. Jus sayin...
Taq writes:
What Thor? Why even ask if about what Thor does or doesn't do to begin with?
I think He means Jesus.

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Message 2120 of 3694 (907219)
02-20-2023 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2111 by Greatest I am
02-18-2023 1:49 PM


Don't Gnock Jesus.
GIA writes:
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
This has continued to be one of your pet theories but I don't buy it. First of all, Christians can only make themselves look evil. One could argue, however, that one can do evil by remaking the character of Jesus to fit their own definitions...in essence using Jesus to pad your own ego and become a legend in your own mind. Gnock Gnock?

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Message 2130 of 3694 (907382)
02-22-2023 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2129 by GDR
02-22-2023 8:10 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Tangle,addressing GDR writes:
Surely you know that this is just pseudo-scientific waffle? Of course you do, you're not stupid. But you're making excuses to hide a real problem. This is not a science issue, it's a logic/philosophical issue. If you invoke a creator being necessary to create us, you have to explain how to avoid the infinite regression of who or what created the creator.
Why would I have to avoid an infinite regress? Its a basic issue. The book says "in the beginning God..." so logically the first cause is/was either defined as God or the guy who first wrote it. Either way, it is not an infinite regress beyond and before that point.
If you invoke a creator being necessary to create us, you have to explain how to avoid the infinite regression of who or what created the creator.
Try basic common sense. The first (and only) guy who wrote those words was himself the initial writer. His writing was a definite origin. IF the God He described in his writing exists, then that God is an original thought either of Him/Her/Itself or by virtue of the writers intent. And to further clarify, what I mean when I say that God is/was an original thought either of Him/Her/Itself or by virtue of the writers intent, I simply mean I AM that I AM.

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Message 2147 of 3694 (907525)
02-25-2023 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2142 by GDR
02-24-2023 5:32 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR writes:
The whole Armageddon thing is a anachronistic misunderstanding of the Bible. Jesus preached a message rejecting a violent revolution that would drive the Romans out. He preached a message of non-violent revolution. The destruction was about what would happen to Jerusalem and the Temple if a violent revolution would occur. I'm not saying that He knew this supernaturally but it was pretty clear that the Jewish nation was going that route, and Jesus was simply saying that the Romans would respond as they always did, which wasn't a unreasonable conclusion, even though an unpopular one.

His message was essentially that the problem wasn't the Romans but the evil behind the Romans and the weapon that we have against evil id love. (Love your enemy, turn the other cheek etc.)

I see Jesus as the ultimate good.
Jesus knew that there would be wars and rumors of wars all throughout time. I'm trying to wrap my head around global politics over in the War In Europe topic, but have drawn no conclusions except to say that when Romans says that None Are Righteous that means ALL. Not Left vs Right. Not Government vs Private Money.
Not Republican vs Democrat. Money is universal. It Greases all palms. It can also feed ALL poor. Or Not.
Love is also universal. Love is more powerful than Money.

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Phat
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Message 2149 of 3694 (907531)
02-25-2023 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 2148 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 9:40 AM


Greatest I AM Ignorant?
I can justify his genocides and his homophobia and misogyny as well.
Whose? Jesus??? I suppose I can understand some of your confusion since you believe that Jesus is a human created construct. I don't ever recall Jesus as neing genocidal or homophobic. He likely would have cured a lot of gender confusion simply by His love. If you are looking for a villain, look no further than organized religion and the bastardization of Jesus.
In my belief, Jesus lives eternally and is far greater than the god within.
You may argue that your kum ba yah inclusive god is more loving, but all I see is a bunch of noise and a fake cloud, a fake church (secular humanism) and a fake God. WE are not God.

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Message 2151 of 3694 (907536)
02-25-2023 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2150 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 10:07 AM


First, Some Definitions
Tritheism-
Trinitarianism-
Im still studying. I DO know that Tritheism is a heresey.

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Message 2152 of 3694 (907538)
02-25-2023 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2145 by Tangle
02-25-2023 3:26 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
Tangle writes:
The summary is the the universe was self-creating and inevitable.
George Carlin called "it" the Big Electron
Cant you just hear the universe talking? I AM that I AM.

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Message 2175 of 3694 (907936)
03-02-2023 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2174 by Stile
03-02-2023 9:10 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
Stile writes:
The only reason I started down this route was because you seemed to indicate that being religious provided a certain outlook on life that wasn't obtainable otherwise. This is clearly bogus.
My jury is still out on this one. I know that I have become more extreme in some ways and more gentle in other ways. Had I finished studying psychology
instead of pursuing the spiritual path, I would be nowhere near as wise. Smart, maybe. But never wise.

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Message 2181 of 3694 (907955)
03-03-2023 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2179 by Stile
03-03-2023 8:26 AM


SOURCE Writ Large
Stile writes:
I see no reason why someone can't be a psychologist and also pursue a spiritual path - and also ignore things that don't exist, like God.
What is the source of all things? Go back as far as you can. (Lets explore the rabbit trail)
While you are doing that, I will take the discipline of psychology and take it back as far as it will go. In college, years ago, I studied Psychology, Sociology, and Social Psychology. Does anyone know the difference between the three? I do.

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Message 2183 of 3694 (907964)
03-03-2023 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2182 by Stile
03-03-2023 2:49 PM


Re: SOURCE Writ Large
Linking God to reality encapsulates the essence of "Being Saved".
Not that i'm special. Heck, i'm the poster child for stupidity at times!

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Message 2193 of 3694 (908007)
03-05-2023 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2192 by Tangle
03-05-2023 4:22 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
Our Tangled Fisherman writes:
No god is going to step in and actually do something to help, ie fix everything he broke 'in the beginning'.
Silly Rabbit! God lives in people. People step in. People initiate change and progress. People are the vessels. God Is Spirit. God never broke anything. If so, show the precise scripture that shows Him breaking something. What you will find is that humans behaving badly broke a lot of things. Lucifer initially broke covenant with God and "became" Satan. Along came a walking snake who then tempted an innocent woman. The rest is Herstory!

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Message 2197 of 3694 (908030)
03-05-2023 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2194 by Tangle
03-05-2023 7:14 AM


Illusions and Delusions. What is Real
Tangle writes:
I think I mentioned that I don't believe in fairies and elves.
You may not believe in gravity either for all I know...but just trying stepping off of the roof.
Just as the illusion that is the global fiat money system (that floats the worlds currencies,) what goes up MUST come down.
Did you ever play Rock,Paper,Scissors? The paper smothers the rock. In a fire, however, the paper burns up and the rock remains. That is the essence of your fantasy.

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Message 2198 of 3694 (908031)
03-05-2023 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2196 by Tanypteryx
03-05-2023 11:52 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
Damselfly writes:
Does it ever occur to you to just shut-the fuck-up once in a while?
Occasionally. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, and all of us seem to have to type.
Its the birds and the bees and the Dragons and the Damsels. You cant argue with reality.

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Message 2200 of 3694 (908034)
03-05-2023 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2199 by Tanypteryx
03-05-2023 2:47 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
OK. *pulls out meter* ... 199 right now. (12:54 pm on 3/5/23
My overall average is 206. Still a bit high but nowhere near the 300 average that I had 3 months ago. I just ate lunch. (It should drop within range within an hour)
Thanks for caring.

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