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Message 1922 of 3694 (905594)
01-31-2023 10:36 AM
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01-31-2023 9:29 AM


Re: What's Important enough?
A person,place,thing or idea supported by evidence. ...that can be detected objectively rather than simply believed or imagined.
If that's your definition of "matter", then I guess I'm a materialist.
But it looks to me as if you have just admitted that religion is bullshit.

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Message 1928 of 3694 (905624)
01-31-2023 9:12 PM
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01-31-2023 8:36 PM


Re: The Spirit Of Sacrificial Giving
Today's modern progressives have adapted a similar spirit advocating giving sacrificially to the poor disenfranchised masses of the planet.
You don't understand progressives.
I don't always understand them either, but I'm not nearly as far off as you are.

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Message 1940 of 3694 (905655)
02-01-2023 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1939 by Theodoric
02-01-2023 5:50 PM


Re: Phat trolling again
Who the fuck is talking about reparations?
Panic stricken white supremacists -- that's who.
Why they are panic stricken, and why they are so worried about reparations, I do not know. Perhaps it is a guilty conscience.

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Message 1959 of 3694 (905689)
02-02-2023 10:50 AM
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02-02-2023 12:34 AM


Re: The Spirit Of Sacrificial Giving
What's NOT Christlike about teaching them to fish(job skills, career help, education) rather than simply handing them a check?
Perhaps you haven't noticed. It is the Democrats who are supporting education, while the Republicans are usually trying to cut it back.

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Message 1994 of 3694 (905799)
02-03-2023 8:37 PM
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02-03-2023 7:44 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I grew up in a world where it was seen as a positive to attend church and a large percentage of the population attended church even if irregularly.
Yes, I grew up in that kind of world. But, by the time I reached the age of around 15, I began to notice that many church members did not practice what was preached. That it to say, there was a lot of hypocrisy.
In that world I knew of no one that committed suicide.
A member of my high school class committed suicide. But, back then, suicides were generally hushed up and you wouldn't hear about them. The death would be explained in some other way. I really doubt that the suicide rate has increased since then.
I knew of no one that died of a drug overdose.
That seems about right. But again, such deaths were likely hushed up and explained as having some other cause.
Look at our world now. Kids have to be taken to school for their safety.
Our kids went to school by themselves. We may have walked them to the subway station, but they then took train and bus without us accompanying them. This was in Chicago.
Don't talk to strangers. People and particularly women have to be careful where they go in the city.
Growing up, I was warned not to talk to strangers. Women were warned to be careful. This was in suburbs of Perth (W. Australia), a small town compared to Chicago.
I think you are blaming too much on secularism. You are looking at an earlier time with rose colored glasses. You are not allowing for other changes. The newspapers today report what would previously have been hushed up. Today, automobiles are everywhere, while back then people walked a lot. Today people are sitting inside watching TV while back then they were out watching what was happening in their neighborhood.

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Message 2075 of 3694 (906340)
02-10-2023 3:30 PM
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02-10-2023 3:12 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
..., especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today.
The Mormon story has traveled worldwide, and has many adherents today.
Why aren't you a Mormon?

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Message 2188 of 3694 (907989)
03-04-2023 4:06 PM
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03-04-2023 1:58 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
How do you know that God doesn't influence your thoughts?
I don't know. So what?
There isn't anything I can do about it, so it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

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Message 2191 of 3694 (907997)
03-04-2023 6:58 PM
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03-04-2023 1:52 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
You and others generally say that you have no beliefs, so you really have no position to defend. You simply reject the views and beliefs of others. Kinda the easy way out.
Resisting peer pressure does not seem like an "easy way out."
However you still presumably have a world view of life based on something. Do you believe that your world view to be true?
I don't see a world view (if there is such a thing) as either true or false. There is no standard by which its truth or falsity can be judged.

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Message 2209 of 3694 (908046)
03-05-2023 9:38 PM
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03-05-2023 8:06 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
I live in a secular world. I would bet that it isn't much different in Illinois that there is far more pressure to be Secular than there is to be a Christian.
I can't recall any pressure to be secular. There's occasionally pressure toward being Christian, but fortunately that is infrequent. Most people, both at home and at work, have respected personal privacy and avoided saying much at all about religion. And this was true when I lived in a small townhouse complex and two of my neighbors were pastors/ministers.
You might want to simply consider this forum.
I assume that Phat experiences some anti-religious pressure. I try to avoid doing that, though I do press him on his social conservatism.
Fair enough but I am sure that you believe that some things are absolutely wrong and somethings are absolutely right and that is your standard, regardless of whether or not there is a universal standard.
I do have strong opinions about some things. But I try to avoid any appeal to absolutes.

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Message 2224 of 3694 (908106)
03-07-2023 1:19 PM
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03-07-2023 12:28 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
If you ever believed as I believe, you would have questioned.
Oh, we did question. That's why we no longer believe.
It turns out that "Because God is with everyone" is indistinguishable from "there is no God." And if I cannot tell the difference, why bother with a useless belief.

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Message 2234 of 3694 (908175)
03-09-2023 10:38 AM
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03-09-2023 2:14 AM


Re: Whats The Difference?
It never made sense to any of you because perhaps He was never invited into you.
I was a Christian at one time, and it did seem to make sense to me. I left Christianity because so many people who called themselves "Christian" were not behaving as Christians should. Jesus said "By their fruits ye shall know them" but those fruits were not showing.
It was only after I had left Christianity, that I began to realize the absurdity of those beliefs.

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Message 2266 of 3694 (908458)
03-15-2023 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2263 by GDR
03-15-2023 7:10 PM


That's an appallingly bad argument (by CS Lewis).
"Truth" is a human concept. If he wants to say that humans are an accident, then he should also be saying that the existence of the concept of truth is an accident.

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Message 2269 of 3694 (908468)
03-15-2023 10:35 PM
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03-15-2023 10:16 PM


All of the arguments of CS Lewis are bad.
For that matter, all apologetics arguments are bad.
This is what happens when they have no actual evidence to support their arguments.

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Message 2443 of 3694 (911120)
06-10-2023 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2438 by GDR
06-10-2023 2:56 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR in Message 2438 writes:
The problem with most of religion is that we are looking for a god to serve our own personal needs.
Whereas, by contrast, you are using it to serve your personal need for an intelligent designer

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Message 2530 of 3694 (911416)
07-03-2023 9:38 PM
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07-03-2023 1:27 PM


Re: What is the reality?
GDR in Message 2526 writes:
IMHO our job is to be good stewards of the world we live in and the life on it.
Yet when we look around at people who say they are Christian, most of them do not seem to be practicing this stewardship.

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