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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Taq writes: Reminds me of Johnny Carson. As the youtuber mentions, these aren't black and white correlations, but I do think there is some interesting stuff in the analysis.Wild Weird Stuff!
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phat writes: Are the social sciences scientific? They can be. However, a lot of what I see is based on non-empirical data.
What criteria is/are required by you personally before you trust someone or something? Criteria includes the risk involved in trusting someone, past experiences with the person, and the evidence at hand.
Does one simply trust what they prefer? That would be a human bias that we all suffer from, but I try to base my decisions on objective evidence as much as possible.
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Stile Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Phat writes: Are the social sciences scientific? Yes.-ish. This is how the social sciences are scientific:
This is how the social sciences are not-scientific:
Luckily, the transparent part of Science is still included - so these difficulties and pressures are known and (usually) listed. Going through the methodology for a hard-science paper is much easier - again, everyone gets the same result for measuring mass or volume. However, going through the methodology for a social-science is much more difficult. Did they attempt a different way of measuring "happiness?" Who paid for the methodology and did they have a hand in it or a conflict of interest? Even if the problems are transparent and listed - how many people read through a methodology vs. just seeing the result and getting to say "Look! Look! The science supports meeeee!!!" The good news is that science is self correcting - things will, and always do - get better, due to transparency and reproduction of results.The bad news is that this takes time - it could be years or decades or even longer before everyone can trust the immediate results of the social sciences the way we can trust the immediate results of hard-sciences. To say all social sciences should be accepted without question is pretty out there.However, to say that all social sciences should be thrown out and can't be trusted - is equally out there (there certainly are "good ones.") For now, it is prudent to scrutinize the methodology and look for any of the known possible issues. This is generally done with the hard-sciences as well - it's just (currently) a lot easier for issues to occur in the social sciences.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
My favorite is political science.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I love raising old posts from the dead!
Meet Mr. Deity’s Intelligent Designer: Brian Keith Dalton
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Stile writes: And how would one go about measuring a claim of being "Born Again"? Measuring things like happiness, or other social-related things, is really difficult. If someone's sad one day, and happy the next - what will their answer be to you if you ask them the first day vs. the next? What is the "real" answer? 1) Compare the overall "happiness" of believers vs non believers. But this too runs into problems.2) (ringos method) Check and see if the believer has given it all away. If not, be sure and judge them as being fake Christians. EVERYBODY can be happy one day and sad the next. EVERYBODY can do good deeds. EVERYBODY worships something.
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Phat writes: And how would one go about measuring a claim of being "Born Again"? You can't measure it in a scientific sense which is why the social sciences are described as science-ish. The best you can do is record how many people self report as being born again.
2) (ringos method) Check and see if the believer has given it all away. That would probably be a study on cognitive dissonance where you look to see how many people say they live their lives by Christian values and compare that to the values described in the New Testament.
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 132 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Phat writes: EVERYBODY worships something. I. Do. Not."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
EVERYBODY worships something. You have learned nothing in all your years here. Phat, you should know better.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Willful ignorance.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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He's just trying to make himself feel less self loathing for being so weak willed, so he pretends we have the same weaknesses.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Stile Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Phat writes: And how would one go about measuring a claim of being "Born Again"? It starts by showing that it actually exists. Something you can show that links it to reality. Once you have that - then methods for measurement can be derived.
1) Compare the overall "happiness" of believers vs non believers. But this too runs into problems. Yes, issues exist.However, our best studies in attempts to compensate as best we can for these issues show that non-believers are happier than believers. quote: EVERYBODY can be happy one day and sad the next. EVERYBODY can do good deeds. Yup.
EVERYBODY worships something. Nope. This is equivalent to an addicted drinker saying "everybody drinks!"No - they don't. Just because you have foibles that consume your life doesn't mean everyone does. Yes - there are some atheists who "worship" things like money or perhaps themselves. Just as their are Christians who worship money or themselves more than they worship God. There are also many atheists who do not worship anything at all - it's not all that rare.Just like there are many people who do not drink anything at all - it's not all that rare. There are also Christians who do not worship God or anything at all - although they are sort of rare, due to the definitional circumstances. Try not to put your issues onto everyone else.It's a scape-goat you're creating in order to make it seem "more normal" for you to have those issues. It's factually wrong, and it's hurting your own self-image.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Stale writes:
What?
There are also Christians who do not worship God or anything at all
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Stile Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Dredge writes: What? It's the difference between "believing" and "worshipping." It's quite possible to believe in God, and be a Christian, and not worship God.-however, as already noted, it is rare in comparison to the average Christian lifestyle You could even say that most Christians, at some point in their Christian journey, believed in God but didn't worship Him.Think of the average beginning of any Christian's journey - they would become aware and interested in God.. then they would believe in God... then they would become a Christian... (at this point they are a Christian who believes in God but doesn't worship God)... as their Christian journey continues they would learn how to worship God and begin worshipping God.
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