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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3359 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Though I don't remember of my teachers praying in school or of my early school teachers advocating Christianity, likely there were references to God in some of the text books or history lessons relative to the founding fathers. In some of he patriotic songs and things like the Pledge of Allegiance there were references to God but not to the point that I had a particular awareness of them. Most of the stories were things like Dick, Jane & Spot or fairy tales, etc. At Christmas it was all Santa. Certainly prayer or Bible reading was neither in the school or home in my experience. I never heard the term "born again" until I heard it in church. We lived in the country in Wyoming and I never experienced a flush toilet until the 2nd grade, though the year before we moved to town our home had a flush toilet. The one room schoolhouse had a wood pot belly stove and an outhouse. All 8 grades were taught in the school house. When we moved to town that all changed. That was during grade 3. I don't remember of prayer in our home before we went to church. There was a little prayer I prayed before bed time as a child, but to the best of my recollection that was after we began going to church. It was the one, "Now I lay me down to sleep; I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take." ....or something like that. Ok, Buz, I am not going to go round and round with you on this. You believe what you want to believe. That is fine. I just agree to disagree. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Modulous Member (Idle past 242 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
It seems that the subject of this thread has been creeping into common discourse. So I'm bumping it.
An invisible pink unicorn type idea is presented about 15 minutes in: He argues that religious ideas are basically very human concepts with a little twist. He discusses 'minimally counter-intuitive worlds' where humans might be inclined to believe in a super-intelligent being that created the universe, but not in an invisible pink unicorn (though he talks about a tree that can hear prayers under certain conditions, versus a tree that sits your exams, eats spaghetti and parks your car for you). Which is possibly one reason why people dismiss IPU type ideas as 'clearly ridiculous'...the IPU is maximally counter-intuitive rather than minimally so. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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MrGrim Junior Member (Idle past 5539 days) Posts: 11 From: Jo'burg Joined:
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Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Edited by MrGrim, :
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
This was an excellent topic by NosyNed where he began by sharing this link:
Born believers: How your brain creates God I wanted to tack on my question and reopen this topic.
Review: Debunking the bunkum []
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Phat writes: ExZBelievers: Why Did You Quit? I watched an interesting video that suggested certain personality types are more likely to leave the church than others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xejfuTNov7Y I left the church, and wouldn't you know it, I have one of the two most common personality types for those who leave the church. Interesting stuff.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Never really was a believer. I was raised in a nominally Catholic household. My mother converted from Congregationalist to marry my father. My parents rarely went to church. I am baptized and confirmed Catholic. I knew before I was confirmed that it was all bullshit. I figured it was a Santa Claus thing and the adults were all in on it. One day they would explain that it was all bullshit and only kids would believe something so stupid. Well, that day never happened. When I was a child I believed in childish things.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
Why did I quit?
A variety of reasons. I began to doubt the miracles, the resurrection and the divinity of Jesus. But what brought it all to a head, was that it was becoming increasingly obvious that people who claimed to be Christian were not behaving as I would expect. For example, how could someone claim to be Christian and teach "The Good Samaritan" yet be racist? How could a pastor lecture the teenagers on morality, but be blind to some of the business practices of an older church member? Was their tithing what really mattered? Was it all about the money?--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity --> -->
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Was it all about the money? Yes and the joy of fucking over people's mindsStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I think I was an IIFJ. I know that I was FJ, at least.
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Phat writes:
I think I was an IIFJ. I know that I was FJ, at least. Interesting. I am an ISTP, for whatever it counts for. That's one of the two types most strongly associated with atheists. As the youtuber mentions, these aren't black and white correlations, but I do think there is some interesting stuff in the analysis.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Myers-Briggs is at best a blunt instrument. The last time I tried a test I came out a IxTx and the time before was INTx. The I and T parts are strong but the other two factors are pretty well balanced.
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
PaulK writes: Myers-Briggs is at best a blunt instrument. I would agree. I tend to trust the social sciences as far as I can throw them. However, it is an interesting correlation from a science-adjacent point of view.
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Taq writes:
Thats an interesting statement in and of itself. Which leads to a couple of questions. Are you ready?
I tend to trust the social sciences as far as I can throw them. Does one simply trust what they prefer? (I think I tend to do that)
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
PaulK writes: Do you personally think, as Taq does, that Social Sciences (in this case) are social yet unscientific?
Myers-Briggs is at best a blunt instrument. The last time I tried a test I came out a IxTx and the time before was INTx. The I and T parts are strong but the other two factors are pretty well balanced.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
It really depends on specifics. The social sciences aren’t as scientific as the hard sciences, but some parts are better than others.
Myers-Briggs does not seem to be highly regarded even by social science standards.
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