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Message 1238 of 1864 (906579)
02-13-2023 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1218 by Phat
02-13-2023 1:42 AM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Phat, most Jews and Christians misunderstand
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel: the Lord our God, the
Lord is one."
When we interpret scripture we must consider it all.
Isaiah tells us that we must "take a little here, and a
little there."
God the Father Himself calls the Son God.
Hebrews 1:8 "But to the Son He said, your throne O God
is for ever and ever...."
Psalms 110:1 "The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at
my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
These are the same two members of the God family or
God "Kind" spoken of in John 1:1.
"In the beginning was the Word (the 2nd Lord in Psalms
110:1), and the Word was with God (the 1st Lord in
Psalms 110:1), and the Word was God."
Both Lord's in Psalms 110:1 were God.
The same being did not sit on his own right hand.
You say that God is all-powerful (omnipotent),and that
He could find a way to do this. But it still makes no
sense.
Even though God is omnipotent, there are still things
that He cannot do.
For example: He cannot lie; He cannot increase or
decrease in knowledge; He cannot sin; He cannot break
a promise; etc....
The Hebrew word interpreted "one" is from "echad,"
which itself is from "achad."
Echad can have several meanings , such as united; one;
first, as in sequence or importance; alone, together; and
foremost.
The Israelites had just come out of Egypt. The Egyptians
worshipped many gods.
Moses was telling them that God "alone" was God; that
He was first, the highest priority.
Vs.5 "And thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thine
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might."
Read the chapters surrounding 6. Moses discusses the
blessings and benefits if they served only Him.
God alone (echad) was to be Israel's God.
There is no other God apart from the true God, outside
of the God family or God "Kind."
In Genesis 11:6 speaking of the people building the Tower
Of Babel, God said, "Behold, the people is one (echad).
They were united (echad) in their goal and purpose.
Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and
his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall
be one(echad) flesh."
John 17:21 "That they may be one; as thou father, are in
and I in thee, that they also may be one in us;..."
The Apostles were one (united) in purpose and goal; as
we're the Father and Son.
Concerning the trinity, if someone wants to laugh, read
the Athanasius Creed.

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Message 1240 of 1864 (906589)
02-13-2023 4:31 PM
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02-13-2023 4:13 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
AZ, I am very content with my life. I have a great wife; kids;
and grandkids. I have good friends who are also content
with their lives.
If this bothers you, then you are the one with issues.
I still wish you to be happy and content.

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Message 1242 of 1864 (906592)
02-13-2023 6:41 PM
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02-13-2023 5:57 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
AZ, I could say that you are spreading the poison of
evolution. And, I do believe that it is poison.
I have been saying that God is a loving God that has the
intent to give eternal life to all who will accept it.
I could be like the majority of churches and say that God
will burn humans in hell fire for eternity, as they scream
in indescribable pain.
You are like most liberals in that you not only want to
control what people say and do but what they think.
You should take a good long look in the mirror and ask
yourself what is so great about you.
You might just find that the answer is "not much."

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Message 1251 of 1864 (906605)
02-14-2023 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1244 by dwise1
02-13-2023 8:54 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Dwise, you tell me. What you mean by evolution.
I believe in variety within a species. If you wish to call
that evolution, then so be it.
I believe that variety is by design-built in.
Let me put this in simple terms:
If you believe that an animal such as a dog can evolve
over time to become a different animal such as a cat then
It is totally up to you to prove it.
It is not my responsibility to disprove it.
You do not convince someone by calling them dishonest
and untruthful.
I am being completely honest when I say that I do not
believe in macro-evolution.
If I believed in it, I would not deny it. That would make no
sense
The part about poison was in response to AZ calling
Christians poison. No need to work yourself up over it.

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Message 1254 of 1864 (906609)
02-14-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1243 by AZPaul3
02-13-2023 7:45 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
AZ, I am not forcing Phat to believe a certain way.
Whereas Liberals control 95% of the media; all of
Hollywood; the music industry; our schools and
universities; big tech; industry; the FBI & CIA; and,
most everything else.
Small kids in our schools are being bombarded with
transgenderism; drag queens; and, liberals teachers
using pronouns such as they, them, when speaking of
themselves.
I enrolled at Murray State in 2000 when I was 47 years
old. I sold much of my antique bottle collection in order
to pay for it.
I wanted to help people so I enrolled in Social Work.
I was told that I would not be required to advise anyone
seeking abortion or homosexuality assistance.
During my final semester I was told that in Social Work
I would now be required to help those seeking abortions,
and those needing assistance with their homosexuality.
I was also required to write a paper on how to get more
females enrolled at Murray State.
My research clearly showed that female enrollment at
that time was just under sixty percent.
My paper pointed out that it was actually males who
needed our assistance.
I also pointed out that many young boys were being
raised by single mothers who were inadequate in
teaching them to be young men.
This isn't all but I was told that I would never work in
Social Work in West Kentucky.
I only wanted to do good, but they wanted me to agree
to their agenda.
A recent poll of Americans who hated themselves shows
there is only one group who thought this way.
That group consists of White Liberals.
Liberals are as close to Nazism and Communism as any
group or political party can get.

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Message 1264 of 1864 (906626)
02-14-2023 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1256 by Taq
02-14-2023 3:18 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Taq, nazism controlled all the Liberals now control in
America.
It is the Liberals who push the agenda of racism.
It is impossible to go through a day without hearing
the Liberal media and politicians mentioning it dozens
of time.
I do not know one Conservative friend that ever mentions
race.
Toxic masculinity is a Liberal term. This is a horrible thing
to say to our young boys. This divides the sexes.
Young boys are told to suppress their feelings and
emotions, but this can have a devastating effect later.
Many of them resort to violence, some using guns, when
they finally explode.
Critical Race Theory is openly taught in grade school and
colleges. In many of these places whites are told that
they don't have the right to speak.
There is not one Liberal politician that can define what a
woman is. This is basic biology and they are too stupid to
understand this.
And only a total nut believes in "white privilege."
Being white never gave me a thing. I had to work hard to
get what I want.
America cannot heal as long as these idiotic agendas
are being pushed on us.

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Message 1266 of 1864 (906630)
02-14-2023 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1261 by AZPaul3
02-14-2023 4:17 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
AZ, I believe in the Bible. And, I follow what it says.
Both homosexuality and murder are condemned.
You might even be surprised to learn that God dislikes
for a man to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Now I could no more assist someone in killing a baby,
or finding a love-nest for homosexuality than I could in
helping two people commit adultery, or providing a safe
haven for thieves.
I will not assist someone commit sin.
If you want me to post some links about perversions in
our schools, I will.
But don't pretend this stuff doesn't happen.
And, I believe it when you say that 95% control isn't
enough for Liberals. They want to control it 100%.
Being ignorant of what is going on in our schools is
no excuse. Not for a grown man.
I got into Social Work to help people; to assist people in
finding work or a place to live. I wanted to help people
with problems they were facing. I wanted to build a
network of people that I could depend on when I
needed their support, whether monetary or whatever.
About a year before we had a falling out, the entire
Social Work staff prayed me for my ingenuity.
But, they didn't care about that when they learned that I
would no compromise my faith.
Isaiah spoke of people like you who call good evil and
evil good; for putting light for darkness and darkness for
light; for putting sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet.
God call people like that reprobates. They are no longer
able to distinguish.

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Message 1280 of 1864 (906660)
02-15-2023 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1279 by Taq
02-15-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Taq, you ask do I think it coincidence that whites have
fifty percent higher incomes that blacks.
No.
Nor do I think it is coincidence that Whites earn 80% of
Asian Americans income.
61% of AA's have a BA or higher. Compared to:
40% of Whites;
21% of Hispanics; and,
29% of Blacks.
Any Blacks who want to attend college in the USA Can
get the grants to do so. They 100% can.
AA's and Whites SAR much score significantly higher on
SAT scores to have the same chance of admissions as
blacks.
AA's are docked more than Whites.
Liberals try to assign lower SAT scores to hidden biases.
They say the biases are hidden because they can't even
point them out.
85% of AA's are reared in a family with both parents.
This compares to:
74% for Whites;
61% for Hispanics; and,
36% for Blacks.
Kids with one parent, especially boys, lack the day to day
involvement, guidance, and positive example and influence,
as well as the financial stability that kids of two parents
enjoy.
Kids raised by single mothers are more prone to act up;
lashout; flounder in school; and, fail at work.
They develop behavioral problems.
I was raised in an orphanage and I know that this is
true. Most kids who left the orphanage had/have
issues, some severe.
Black inner city kids join gangs, take drugs, and commit
crimes at high levels.
Black men are more than a dozen times more likely to
shoot a police officer than the other way around.
But, the Liberal media, with its agenda, covers this fact up.
A 10% increase in single parent homes equates to an
increase of 17-18% increase in true crimes.
Racism has absolutely nothing to do with the disparity
In incomes.
We are all responsible for our success or failure.
I can see you watching the Liberal News, with your eyes
wide open, much like a kid watching Saturday morning
cartoons. Believing everything they say.
Everyone knows that the Liberal News Networks are as
hard core Democrats as any Democrat politician out there.
My question is how can anyone expect to hear the truth
from them?
Only an idiot would think that a man can become a
woman or that a woman can become a man.
Anyone that does not know the difference should not be
allowed to vote.

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Message 1387 of 1864 (907206)
02-20-2023 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1281 by Phat
02-15-2023 7:46 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Phat, I can see the confusion in what I wrote.
The part about Blacks and police shooting each other
was poorly worded.
I meant to say that Blacks are 18 (not 12) times more
likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to
shoot an unarmed black man.
The Liberal media reports in such a way that makes it
appear that police officers use innocent black men for
target practice.
I wanted to add a couple more facts to my last post,
but I had other things to do.
The Black population of New York City amounts to
about 22-23% of the total population; yet, they commit
75% of all shootings.
About 4% of Black homicides were committed by
police officers. But, nearly 12% of Hispanic homicides
were committed by cops.
Why does the Liberal media focus on Blacks.
I stand by what I said: a person who does not know the
difference between a man and a woman should not be
allowed to vote.
How can we trust their ability to distinguish other
important decisions.
Grade school kids know the difference between males
and females. They are not allowed to vote.
I ask you to look up Dylan Mulvaney on YouTube and
watch his videos.
This man needs psychological help, and he needs it
badly.

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Message 1405 of 1864 (907452)
02-24-2023 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1404 by nwr
02-23-2023 12:01 PM


Re: Evidently Anglicans dont believe in the Trinity
nwr, what Ringo thinks about the factuality of Jesus'
existence carries no weight.
The existence of Jesus is not dependent on whether
Ringo believes in Him or not.

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Message 1419 of 1864 (907600)
02-26-2023 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1333 by Greatest I am
02-18-2023 2:15 PM


Re: British Humor Writ Large
gia, I don't know why your mother forbids women to
preach in church, but I can tell you why the Heavenly
Father forbids it.
Only men were selected by Jesus to serve as Apostles.
And, the early Christian Church continued to select men
to serve as elders and pastors.
1 Cor. 14:34-35 "Let your women keep silent in the
churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but
to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
"And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husband's
at home: for it is a shame (aischron-a shameful thing)
for women to speak in church."
1 Tim. 2:11-14 "Let the woman learn in silence with all
subjection."
"But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority
over a man, but to be in silence."
"For Adam was first formed, then Eve."
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being
deceived was in the transgression."
These verses are not suggestions; they are commands.
God gets to decide how He is worshipped; not us.
Ephesians 5:22-24 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your
husband's, as unto the Lord."
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ
is the head of the church..."
"Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let
the wives be to their own husbands in everything."
The remainder of the chapter instructs husband's to
love their wives and to treat them with the utmost
respect.
1 Cor. 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of
every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the
man; and the head of Christ is God."
There is an order with God.
Many might have an issue with these verses, especially
women, and a part of me can understand this, but it is
not within our powers to change the will of God.

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Message 1420 of 1864 (907614)
02-26-2023 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1343 by dwise1
02-18-2023 4:20 PM


Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
Dwise, do you even know what MAGA stands for. It
should be a message that all Americans support.
You actually want us to believe that more than 80,000,000
Americans voted for a senile old man that cannot keep
his train of thought together long enough to form a
complete sentence.
On top of that, his VP cackles every time someone asks
her a question. Then she spews out a rambling word
salad that says absolutely nothing.
I am not making fun of them. It is too serious for that.
They have made us the laughing stock of the entire world.
Why is it acceptable from Democrats to question elections,
but not Republicans?
Hillary Clinton still says that the election was stolen from
her. Why don't you ask her to shut up.
Al Gore made the same claim. I remember seeing people
with gigantic magnifying glasses inspecting every ballot.
Democrats supported that.
Why is this admistration concerned with protecting
Ukraine's borders, but not ours?
Why is it not in our best interest to prevent 20,000 illegals
from entering our country every year?
Why is it not in our best Interest to prevent hard drugs,
such as fentynal, from pouring across our border by
the tons.
I hear this administration scream about the damage to
the ecosystem as a result of fossil fuel.
But, since 2003 our deserts have been getting greener.
There is no disputing this.
Liberals counter with "climate change."
Whether this is true or not, why isn't solar changes ever
considered as part of the equation?
Biden had said that climate change is a bigger threat to
humanity than nuclear weapons.
If the U.S. stopped using fossil fuels it would have no
effect at all on the climate.
The rest of the world would consume what we forfeit.
There is no way that the two largest carbon consumers,
China and India, will ration usage.
Without fossil fuel how would we move ships across the
oceans. How would we fly planes. How would we
produce enough electricy to heat and cool our homes and
businesses?
Those who scream protect the environment aren't reducing
their usage of private jets, which spew more carbon
emitions in one hour than 10,000 automobiles.
Liberals, especially the elite, want everyone else to cut
back on their usage of fossils fuels, but they won't do it
themselves.
After all, they are special.
One other thing: search "titan mud fossils" and then tell
us how their existence cab be explained by the theory of
evolution.

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Message 1424 of 1864 (907761)
02-28-2023 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1421 by Phat
02-26-2023 3:59 PM


Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
Phat, Democrats say it is perfectly acceptable for a
woman to murder her own baby.
Jesus said that murder is a sin.
Phat, Democrats say it is perfectly acceptable for a
man to turn into to a woman and for a woman to turn
into a man.
Jesus states that He made us male or female, not both.
Phat, grade schools are teaching children that they can
change their gender.
Also, the Democratic state of Oregon will pay for fifteen
year old kids to change their sex, even without parental
knowledge or consent.
Jesus says that it would be better for those who lead
these young ones astray if a millstone were hung around
their neck and then cast into the sea.
Jesus tells parents (not states) to raise up a child in a way
that he should go, and when he is older he will not depart
from it.
Phat, you are a total nut if you think that Jesus is neutral
on these issues.

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Message 1426 of 1864 (907790)
02-28-2023 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1425 by nwr
02-28-2023 11:37 AM


Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
nrw, I don't care if some Democrats are critical of what
trans activists are pushing. It is still supported by the
Democratic Party.
The Democrats also support murder of their own
children. And they will attack someone without
mercy if they speaks against it.
Some Nazis were against annihilation of the Jews, and
some Mualims were against 911, but this did not
prevent the acts.
These videos of women packing their signs that
promote abortions, while screaming "kill, kill, kill,"
makes America look totally sadistic.
If there were a Republican candidate that supported
these ideas, then I would not vote.
I will put my money where my mouth is. I will never vote
for a candidate or a party that supports an agenda that
is contrary to God.
Did you support the Black national anthem at the Super
Bowl.
The Democratic Party seeks to divide us, not unite us.
Anyone can figure out why they do this, if they would
just stand back and truly observe.

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Message 1428 of 1864 (907805)
02-28-2023 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1427 by nwr
02-28-2023 1:20 PM


Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
nwr, are you really as ignorant as you pretend to be?
These perversions are supported by your party: the
Democrats.
If you do know what your party stands for, I suggest
that you contact a politician of that party, they will be
glad to tell you that I am right.
The Democrats are the party that kills babies.
They are the party that's thinks a man can become a
woman and vice-versa.
They are the party that castrates young boys and
cuts of the breasts of young women.
Kenyan born president Obama stated that if a baby
survives an abortion it is acceptable to place it on a
back shelf and let it starve.
Where is the compassion of this former Liberal president.
Oh, that's right; he doesn't have any.

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