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nwr
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Message 196 of 438 (897329)
09-02-2022 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Percy
09-02-2022 9:43 PM


Re: Barr Pipes Up
Barr may be more concerned about whether Barr can be prosecuted. Any statement that he makes could be self-serving.

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Message 197 of 438 (897330)
09-03-2022 12:13 AM
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09-02-2022 10:58 PM


Re: Barr Pipes Up
Barr may be more concerned about whether Barr can be prosecuted. Any statement that he makes could be self-serving.
Yep, Barr was in the upper echelons of a treasonous criminal cult. I don't know if he committed any crimes but he sure acted without honor as Attorney General of the United States.

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Message 198 of 438 (897399)
09-04-2022 2:01 PM
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09-02-2022 9:43 PM


Re: Barr Pipes Up
I think Barr may be giving some cover to Trump because he knows the only nefarious reasons the documents were at Mar-a-Lago is as trophies for Trump to show off to his guests. He could brag about knowing the full scoop on bin Laden with actual documents. He has his love letters back and forth to other powerful leaders like Kim Jong-un. That's how important he is. He could prove it. No one had better proof than he had. He had the best proof.

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Message 199 of 438 (907431)
02-23-2023 11:48 PM


Lindell: I’m Suing McCarthy For Giving J6 Tapes To Fox
lindell-im-suing-mccarthy-for-giving-j6-tapes-to-fox
When, in a convoluted way, Mike Lindell is (kind of) a rational voice of the right wing.
Not, at this point, that the tapes show be available to all. The releasing of the tapes is one of the great travesties of the modern GQP.
McCarthy has just ascended to join Trump, McConnell, and a few others, to the ranks of "party when they die".
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Message 200 of 438 (907432)
02-24-2023 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Minnemooseus
02-23-2023 11:48 PM


Re: Lindell: I’m Suing McCarthy For Giving J6 Tapes To Fox
Hmm. Time to stock up with popcorn.

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Message 201 of 438 (907457)
02-24-2023 8:37 AM


old news
People tend to forget that on January 23, 2016 Donald Trump said
quote:
"My people are so smart -- and you know what else they say about my people? The polls?" Trump asked a crowd at a Sioux Center, Iowa, rally Saturday. "I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that?"
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" he said, referring to the major street in New York City that cuts through Manhattan's large commercial district. "It's, like, incredible."
He understood his supporters then and absolutely nothing has changed since January 23, 2016.

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Message 202 of 438 (907458)
02-24-2023 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by jar
02-24-2023 8:37 AM


Which Old Man Is Brighter? Biden or Trump?
True, he does understand the mind(or lack of the same) of a conservative populist. In the documentary I watched regarding Putin and the Presidents, the commentators mentioned that Putin played Trump like a violin. I see Trump as a master manipulator as well, however. He purposefully says stupid things in the press because stupid attracts stupid. It's like spreading out bait for the mice in the woodwork.
Biden used to be quite sharp, but he now doddles around like an old mafia don, as seen in the video of him and Zelensky recently. Though there had been no air raid for days in the Capital of Kyiv, the air raid sirens erupted almost as if on cue. and please understand I am taking no sides here... I'm simply observing the propaganda of the press in regard to Ukraine.

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Message 203 of 438 (907462)
02-24-2023 8:49 AM
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02-24-2023 8:44 AM


Re: Which Old Man Is Brighter? Biden or Trump?
Though there had been no air raid for days in the Capital of Kyiv,
Source?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 204 of 438 (907465)
02-24-2023 8:58 AM
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02-24-2023 8:49 AM


Re: Which Old Man Is Brighter? Biden or Trump?
Fox News. Are there alternate news explanations that I missed? I probably should have checked BBC... it's my usual go-to.

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Message 205 of 438 (907467)
02-24-2023 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Phat
02-24-2023 8:58 AM


Re: Which Old Man Is Brighter? Biden or Trump?
That is not a source that is a claim. So we can be pretty sure it is not true. Read below what Christopher Hitchens said.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 206 of 438 (907737)
02-27-2023 10:27 PM


FOX Lied! Film at 11
This is now legally official. Several of the FOX personalities willfully and knowingly "endorsed" the stolen-election hoax knowing it was false. Their boss said so ... under oath.
quote:
“They endorsed,” Mr. Murdoch said under oath in response to direct questions about the Fox hosts Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, according to a legal filing by Dominion Voting Systems. “I would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it in hindsight,” he added, while also disclosing that he was always dubious of Mr. Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud.
Asked whether he doubted Mr. Trump, Mr. Murdoch responded: “Yes. I mean, we thought everything was on the up-and-up.”
Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Falsehoods - The New York Times

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Message 207 of 438 (907749)
02-28-2023 7:33 AM
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02-27-2023 10:27 PM


Re: FOX Lied! Film at 11
I think I'm going to remove Fox News from the news sources that I listen to.
I listen to the BBC, Al Jazeera, CBS News, ABC News, the New York Times, and Newsweek.
No more Fox. I'm a News Hound but I prefer honesty and accuracy over a biased source.

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Message 208 of 438 (907750)
02-28-2023 7:38 AM
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02-24-2023 8:37 AM


Re: old news
Personally, I think that at least in the first quote Trump was mocking the progressives. They seem to think that education is unquestionably better than intuition and gut feeling. I have no degrees, but I don't feel that I am stupid. And I'm still waiting to hear why I am "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest."
To be fair, Trump likely knows why he is. I could never live with myself were those words true.

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Message 209 of 438 (907751)
02-28-2023 7:46 AM
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02-24-2023 8:49 AM


Re: Which Old Man Is Brighter? Biden or Trump?
Let's forget Source for a moment. I can safely throw away all of the "Mafia Don" insinuations since I got them from FOX. I in no way think that Biden is horrible, though someone needs to show me why he is any brighter.(Than Trump) It seems as if though one side vilifies
Russia and the other side see the real adversary as China. One side supports Ukraine and the other side sees NATO and Ukraine as not necessarily their business.
And I realize that the geopolitical argument is not that simple.
I DO know that China is not our friend. Nevertheless, it is far better to attempt to arrive at a consensus with them rather than speak of War. There are NEVER any winners in the game of War.
I respect Anthony Blinken, by the way.

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Message 210 of 438 (907753)
02-28-2023 7:57 AM
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02-28-2023 7:38 AM


Re: old news
You are "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest." because
quote:
Personally, I think that at least in the first quote Trump was mocking the progressives. They seem to think that education is unquestionably better than intuition and gut feeling
You are "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest." because you think woke has meaning, that progressive should be mocked, that source trumps content.
You are "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest." because you do NOT know the basics, refuse to learn the basics, do not test belief against the evidence.
You are pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable, bigoted, willfully ignorant, and dishonest.

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