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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
AZPaul3
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Message 496 of 1104 (907587)
02-25-2023 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by sensei
02-25-2023 10:02 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I haven't made any claims. You have.
You deny common descent and evolution. I don't. I accept the scientific consensus. You don't.
You are the outlier here, sensei. The science case has already been made decades ago. You claim it is wrong. It is incumbent on you to present your evidence, not just your tirades, to show your case.
Answer the questions or tuck your tail and leave the field.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 497 of 1104 (907588)
02-25-2023 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by sensei
02-25-2023 9:57 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Evolution from single celled ancestor never happened.
Your evidence? Any?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 498 of 1104 (907595)
02-26-2023 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 10:13 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Yes, you did.
You claimed that I claimed that a nested hierachy would not be a result of evolution. Now back up your claim or zip it!

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Message 499 of 1104 (907596)
02-26-2023 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 497 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 10:19 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
All of lifes complexity, which you evolutionists so poorly understand, it's just pathetic!

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AZPaul3
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Message 500 of 1104 (907605)
02-26-2023 8:08 AM
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02-26-2023 7:09 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
All of lifes complexity, which you evolutionists so poorly understand, it's just pathetic!
All the complexity of life, which we understand quite well, is actually quite beautiful.
Disturbing that you think life is pathetic.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 501 of 1104 (907611)
02-26-2023 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 498 by sensei
02-26-2023 7:07 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Now back up your claim or zip it!
I explained my perception and that it may be lacking and asked for clarification.
Are you going to clarify or just bitch. Answer the questions in Message 487.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 502 of 1104 (907620)
02-27-2023 4:05 AM
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02-26-2023 10:04 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
If you cannot point out where you got your false perception from and fix it yourself, you may never learn.

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AZPaul3
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Message 503 of 1104 (907624)
02-27-2023 5:16 AM
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02-27-2023 4:05 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
... you may never learn.
I learned science. You didn't. I know reality. You don't.
You see life as pathetic. I don't.
You have learned nothing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 504 of 1104 (907638)
02-27-2023 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by sensei
02-25-2023 6:22 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Where have I said that your assumption was the nested hierarchy?
Frankly, you won't say what assumptions you are talking about. You just say that we are making assumptions. It makes us think that you are just trying to invent a reason to ignore the evidence.
So do we observe a nested hierarchy or not?

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Message 505 of 1104 (907639)
02-27-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 488 by sensei
02-25-2023 7:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
I know that evolution from a single celled common ancestor would not come any where close to producing this level of perfection and complexity in such a variety.
Based on what evidence?

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Message 506 of 1104 (907640)
02-27-2023 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 494 by sensei
02-25-2023 9:57 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
Evolution from single celled ancestor never happened.
Do you think a scientific theory is falsified by simply pronouncing that it is false?
Talk about assumptions . . .

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Message 507 of 1104 (907641)
02-27-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 490 by sensei
02-25-2023 8:27 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
The complexity of information in DNA translating to instructions for building all parts of the living cells with each their specific functions in the body, is evident. Yet you cling on to the idea that it self assembled through progressive steps over time and produced all varieties of DNA by random mutations.
How do you think babies are made? Is each person magically created, or is there a natural process that does exactly what you are describing?
I also showed you the evidence that random mutations are responsible for the differences between species:
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20367
Common ancestry is evidence by the nested hierarchy.
So that covers both the similarities and differences between genomes.
Where is your evidence?

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Message 508 of 1104 (907646)
02-27-2023 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 10:13 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
You made false claims about what I said and misreprented my views. And now you pretend that you did none of those.
If you describe life as a nested hierarchy and conclude that it is due to evolution from a common ancestry, then that is your conclusion. Not mine!
That does not mean that I think evolution could or would not result in some sort of nested tree. That is where your logic goes wrong.
If we find a dead body and you assume that it is from murder, I would say that it could also be from an accident, from disease or from old age. Does that mean that I don't think that murder would result in a dead body?
So if you want an honest discussion, I suggest you take back your words. And also, most of your questions seem to be based on this misunderstanding on your part.
I don't deny at all, that some sort of nested pattern could arise if life had evolved. Do you understand this?

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Message 509 of 1104 (907647)
02-27-2023 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by Taq
02-27-2023 10:56 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Who says my pronouncing was for the purpose of falsifying anything?

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Message 510 of 1104 (907648)
02-27-2023 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by Taq
02-27-2023 10:58 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Babies grow starting with all necessary DNA alreasdy present. Not from nothing.

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