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Phat
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Message 1372 of 1864 (907141)
02-19-2023 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1292 by jar
02-16-2023 5:35 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
jar writes:
And genocide is more than just killing individuals, it is the destruction and eradication of cultures and languages and histories and societies and ...
And propaganda. You are very anti American today. The Land of the Free is the champion of genocide?? What evil spirit is using you to discredit the United States? Not that our History is innocent, mind you

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Phat
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Message 1375 of 1864 (907144)
02-19-2023 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1371 by Dredge
02-19-2023 10:19 AM


America: Champion of Genocide (says the Left)
Dredge writes:
I didn't ask Greatpest-I-am for an explanation of "Gnosticism" ... I know a little about that bs already. I asked him what "Gnostic Christianity" is ... which I suspect isn't Christianity at all.
One good thing about this bunch around here is that they force me to do my homework by looking up stuff I normally wouldn't bother to look up. They ("critics") would say that you and I are biased with our sources of information but I charge them for being just as biased. jar has absolutely nothing good to say about America. Neither does Theo, unless talking about the woke agenda.
I believe that both of them would rather live here than in any other country on earth. I know I would. (Canada is a close second, but they have issues too. )

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Message 1379 of 1864 (907154)
02-19-2023 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1377 by Theodoric
02-19-2023 11:04 AM


Re: Mind Over Matter ©
I am on topic. Essentially we are talking about God. GIA chimed in with his gnostic belief that we ourselves have a christ consciousness and are god.(Hence Greatest I AM)
His teachers include Alan Watts. (from transcript)
transcript writes:
what would the real gospel be the real
0:11
good news is not simply that Jesus of
0:15
Nazareth was the son of God
0:19
but that he was a powerful Son of God
0:26
who came to open everybody's eyes to the
0:29
fact that you are too
Of course I'm about to argue that Gnosticism is heresy, but I will need to get my data together. And as jar mentions, all of this is simply mans attempts to use religion in general as an appeal to authority.
You know my counter argument, I hope. The meaning of the Trinity is the essential meaning to the central figure in Christianity. Which, despite GIAs assertion backed by Alan Watts, is NOT man.

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Message 1381 of 1864 (907156)
02-19-2023 11:39 AM
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02-19-2023 11:38 AM


Re: Mind Over Matter ©
Thanks. I will include your source in my sources.

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Message 1395 of 1864 (907388)
02-23-2023 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1385 by jar
02-19-2023 12:10 PM


Evidently Anglicans dont believe in the Trinity
New York Times:
Church of England Considers Gender-Neutral Language for God
By Amanda Holpuch(Feb. 9, 2023)
The Church of England is considering whether to use gender-neutral terms to refer to God, a spokesperson said on Thursday, adding that there are no plans to “to abolish or substantially revise” the existing liturgy.
The church said in an emailed statement that Christians have recognized “since ancient times that God is neither male nor female.” The clergy is now weighing whether it could better reflect that in the language used in its services.
“The variety of ways of addressing and describing God found in scripture has not always been reflected in our worship,” the statement said. “There has been greater interest in exploring new language since the introduction of our current forms of service in contemporary language more than 20 years ago.”
No wonder you always use "her" and "it" to refer to the Creator of all seen and unseen. Yet without Jesus, there would be no Christianity.

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Phat
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Message 1406 of 1864 (907454)
02-24-2023 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1405 by candle2
02-24-2023 8:23 AM


Re: Evidently Anglicans dont believe in the Trinity
True. Our very own member jar used to have a construct. You may want to ask him about it.

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Message 1407 of 1864 (907455)
02-24-2023 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1402 by Greatest I am
02-23-2023 11:36 AM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
GIA writes:
Do you find it strange that God gave Satan extra powers of deception to use against us and made her our ruler?
Satan isn't my ruler. I'm not the one going around claiming that I am the only god I will ever know. Now....who is "her" again?

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Message 1408 of 1864 (907456)
02-24-2023 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1401 by Greatest I am
02-23-2023 11:33 AM


Re: Mind Over Matter ©
Let's hear your quote and we can go from there.

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Message 1410 of 1864 (907470)
02-24-2023 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1409 by nwr
02-24-2023 9:44 AM


Re: Evidently Anglicans dont believe in the Trinity
The Bible clearly states that no one is righteous. I won't use that scripture as an excuse, however. Ringo has a point.

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Phat
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Message 1414 of 1864 (907532)
02-25-2023 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 9:32 AM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
I was challenging what you meant by "her".

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Phat
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Message 1415 of 1864 (907534)
02-25-2023 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1412 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 9:33 AM


Re: Mind Over Matter Gnock Gnock ©
You have not read Revelation?
We can certainly discuss it. Im assuming you have read it.

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Message 1416 of 1864 (907535)
02-25-2023 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1413 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 9:35 AM


Back To The Trinity (Remix)
I have never met a talking serpent, but I like Donkeys. Even some Elephants, (though you have to watch them). The Elephant will eat all of the Donkeys food.

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Message 1418 of 1864 (907548)
02-25-2023 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1417 by Greatest I am
02-25-2023 10:46 AM


Greatest He Is ©
Wasting whose time? Yours? I certainly waste enough of my own.
Unlike some, I have to work. Talk to you all later.
Father=Creator of all seen and unseen
Son=the Creators human character. Becoming an ant to relate to we ants.
Holy Spirit=The God within. We are not God. We are in Communion with God. There is a clear difference.

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Message 1421 of 1864 (907616)
02-26-2023 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1420 by candle2
02-26-2023 2:39 PM


Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
candle2, I dont think we should mix religion with politics. Jesus never did.

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Phat
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Message 1431 of 1864 (907822)
02-28-2023 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1429 by candle2
02-28-2023 3:22 PM


Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Candle2, im going to have to put you in check. There has been a valid complaint.
complaint writes:
Why is this kind of smear allowed to continue over and over without so much as a comment from admin?

This is definitely not "understanding through discussion," instead it's just a firehose of hate straight from Fox!
I used to be an administrator here so I'm going to act like one for a minute.
(I can also learn from this discipline, by the way)
First, lets address the Forum Guidelines.
quote:
Please follow all moderator requests. Concerns about moderation should be taken to the Report Discussion Problems Here thread. (which is where I found your complaint)
Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics. (I'm as guilty of this as anyone around here. The focus should be on professionalism and politeness)
When introducing a new topic, please keep the message narrowly focused. Do not include more than a few points.
Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
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Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
Avoid any form of misrepresentation. (Are you guilty of this?)
Do not participate as more than one ID. You may change your user ID by going to your Profile Page and creating a new alias.
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person. (This is important. Don't attack nwr personally. Stick to the position.)
Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach.
-- Encyclopedia Britannica, on debate

Now lets review what you said. I will comment now as member Phat.
quote:
These perversions are supported by your party: the
Democrats. (You are assuming that nwr is a Democrat.)

If you do know what your party stands for, I suggest
that you contact a politician of that party, they will be
glad to tell you that I am right.(This makes no sense. Both you and I need to study thoroughly what the Democratic Party officially stands for before we sling mud.)

The Democrats are the party that kills babies.(Ridiculous. You make "them" sound like a cabal of satanists involved in a ritual! Lets get real!)

They are the party that's thinks a man can become a
woman and vice-versa.

They are the party that castrates young boys and
cuts of the breasts of young women.

Kenyan born president Obama stated that if a baby
survives an abortion it is acceptable to place it on a
back shelf and let it starve.(I liked Obama, FYI. He was born in Hawaii according to the info I have)

Where is the compassion of this former Liberal president.(You dont see it? I certainly do.)

I will put my money where my mouth is. I will never vote
for a candidate or a party that supports an agenda that
is contrary to God.(My position is that SOURCE=God and CONTENT=Secular Agenda. I will also never throw SOURCE away. Thats about as far as I agree with you.

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