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Taq
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Message 10 of 70 (891682)
02-08-2022 4:59 PM


The phylogenetic challenge has been around for about 140 years.
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Now, since the days of Linnæus this principle has been carefully followed, and it is by its aid that the tree-like system of classification has been established. No one, even long before Darwin's days, ever dreamed of doubting that this system is in reality, what it always has been in name, a natural system. What, then, is the inference we are to draw from it? An evolutionist answers, that it is just such a system as his theory of descent would lead him to expect as a natural system. For this tree-like system is as clear an expression as anything could be of the fact that all species are bound together by the ties of genetic relationship. If all species were separately created, it is almost incredible that we should everywhere observe this progressive shading off of characters common to larger groups, into more and more specialized characters distinctive only of smaller and smaller groups. At any rate, to say the least, the law of parsimony forbids us to ascribe such effects to a supernatural cause, acting in so whimsical a manner, when the effects are precisely what we should expect to follow from the action of a highly probable natural cause.
--George Romanes, "The Scientific Evidence for Organic Evolution", 1882
The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Scientific Evidences of Organic Evolution, by George J. Romanes, M.A., LL.D., F.R.S.
After 140 years, creationists still haven't cracked this nut.
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Message 13 of 70 (891699)
02-09-2022 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-29-2022 7:01 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Thus, for AronRa, the Phylogeny Challenge is not only his challenge but one of his many bases in science. Basis, since he believes that no person like me could topple and replace the Theory of Evolution (ToE). He also probably believed that no one in this world, on any generations of Earth in science, could give a new model for biological science that challenges Biological Evolution. In this, he failed since I am here.
And yet we don't see an alternate explanation for the phylogenetic signal seen in both the morphological and genetic data. Apparently, MrID thinks he should get a trophy for just showing up.

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Message 30 of 70 (891793)
02-11-2022 11:49 AM
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02-10-2022 7:48 PM


MrID writes:
I will choose the battleground to defeat ToE...
The problem is that you don't even know what the battlefields are.

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Message 31 of 70 (891794)
02-11-2022 11:51 AM
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02-10-2022 7:53 PM


Re: Goes with the territory.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a good politician
I have no doubt she is a good politician. That's not exactly a compliment.
What she isn't is rational, logical, or knowledgeable.

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Message 68 of 70 (907426)
02-23-2023 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by sensei
02-20-2023 6:44 AM


Re: Biblically -Based Phylogeny
sensei writes:
You are using circular logic, as ancestry assumes evolution from common ancestor.
Do you have to assume a suspect is guilty in order to get a match between the suspect's DNA and DNA at a crime scene?
We observe a phylogeny. That matches what we would expect from common ancestry. Because we get a match between expectation and observation, we conclude ancestry.

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Message 70 of 70 (907491)
02-24-2023 12:48 PM
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02-24-2023 12:40 PM


Re: Biblically -Based Phylogeny
sensei writes:
Common ancestry is not required for phylogeny.
Will common ancestry produce a nested hierarchy?
Is there any reason why we would expect to see a nested hierarchy if separate creation is true?

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