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Message 6 of 79 (905761)
02-03-2023 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
02-02-2023 8:10 PM


riverrat writes:
No, vaccines should not be forced on individuals. The decision to receive a vaccine is a personal one, and individuals should be fully informed about the risks and benefits of vaccination before making a decision.
Infectious diseases are not a personal choice. We spread diseases between each other. This makes it a social decision, one that can and should be part of decision making at a governmental level. When you refuse a vaccine you are potentially threatening the life of others.
With that said, we can certainly have a discussion about whether a government should require citizens to be vaccinated. However, let's do away with the illusion that this is somehow a decision a person makes that has no impact on others.
In general, the goal of public health policy should be to provide individuals with the information and resources they need to make informed decisions about their health, and to encourage the uptake of vaccines to the extent that it is safe and ethical to do so.
So what do we do with rampant disinformation about vaccines?

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Message 61 of 79 (905987)
02-06-2023 10:51 AM
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02-03-2023 11:01 PM


Riverrat writes:
Secondly and specifically, the Covid-19 vaccine does zero to stop the spread and may even encourage stronger strains to evolve.
Not so.
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In adjusted analyses, we estimated that any vaccination, prior infection alone, and both vaccination and prior infection reduced an index case’s risk of transmitting infection by 22% (6-36%), 23% (3-39%) and 40% (20-55%), respectively.
Infectiousness of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections during the Omicron wave | medRxiv
I had a severe reaction to my 1st shot that I voluntarily took. The politics surrounding what happened to me goes beyond science and makes it crystal clear to me that science has become people's god, and that the corruption behind the vaccine is the largest lie ever perpetrated on the earth.
That's psychological projection. Just because you worship a deity does not mean others do.

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Message 62 of 79 (905990)
02-06-2023 10:56 AM
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02-03-2023 11:08 PM


Riverrat writes:
No, in another conversation with it I tried to figure out where it gets it's information from. It considers CNN and valuable resource and Fox to be biased. You would be proud.
CNN stated that there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.
Fox News stated that there was widespread fraud in the 2020 election, to the point that they are now being sued for defamation.
Who got it right? Which company knowingly spread lies in order to help their preferred candidate?

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Message 67 of 79 (906021)
02-06-2023 12:36 PM
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02-06-2023 12:27 PM


riverrat writes:
It seems any study that goes against the vaccine, gets rejected.
Examples?
They tried to tell us for years it was causing heart problems, now they are finally admitting it. It's all fucking bullshit. The vaccine is garbage.
It was reported within 4 months of the vaccine going live:
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In April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). Data from multiple studies show a rare risk for myocarditis and/or pericarditis following receipt of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis after mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
Myocarditis caused by the vaccine is rare and mild while myocarditis caused by the infection can be quite severe. Again, it is all about the relative risk.
Not only that, but 90-95% of hospitilizations were amongst the unvaccinated. If the vaccine were garbage, why did we see these numbers?
Here, from the same source. I actually witnessed in real time what this study shows. It's like the flu vaccine (which is better imo) is only 10% effective because they can't keep up with the strains. This study shows why getting vaccinated actually makes it worse for you after 90 days.

Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study | medRxiv
Where are the numbers for prevention of hospitalization and death? Those are the important numbers. Yes, people who were vaccinated did still become infected, but the infections were milder and had much lower rates of hospitalization and death.
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It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses — 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose — with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.
Two Years COVID Vaccines Prevented Millions Hospitalizations Deaths | Commonwealth Fund
No, it's a metaphor.
It's projection.

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Message 71 of 79 (906028)
02-06-2023 12:51 PM
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02-06-2023 12:40 PM


riverrat writes:
We will never know the real answer to that question, will we?
Yes, we will, and we do. There was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Even the most diehard Republican officials agree with this.
There was documented fraud though, and there are still cases being tried.
The rate of fraud was never enough to change the outcome. We are talking a handful of cases affecting a few ballots, the same that we see in every election.
The Twitter file dump also showed fraud. The government was working with social media to suppress our first amendment rights. The truth of the Hunter Biden laptop story was lied to us.
First Amendment rights don't force private companies to post nude pictures of a private citizen's son. You really need to learn what the word "truth" means.
Fox really didn't say that either, at least that night. Matter of fact I stopped watching Fox because they ignored it the night it was happening.
There was no widespread vote fraud. The fact you think there was demonstrates how divorced from the truth you are.

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Message 79 of 79 (907424)
02-23-2023 3:21 PM
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02-23-2023 10:50 AM


Percy writes:
But Fox News feared losing their audience to NewsMax and OAN, so before the cameras they put on a show designed to hold their audience with tales of widespread malfeasance that frequently features appearances by people they knew were lying.
Stuff we already knew, but never really thought we would hear from the liars at Fox News themselves. The lawsuit against Fox is going to be a gold mine.
The political movement that tries to persuade itself that it represents Christian values and truth is nothing more than an echo chamber of lies, and in order to make money off of this political movement you have to be the best liar.

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