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Message 5 of 98 (907215)
02-20-2023 1:42 PM
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02-19-2023 8:12 AM


A long winded way of saying your personal incredulity and emotion, not reality, determine your conclusions.
Abiogenesis is one of those unreal things.
You seek to define it so. That does not make it so.
And since it happened, it was not impossible or improbable at all.

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Message 15 of 98 (907704)
02-27-2023 8:05 PM
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02-27-2023 7:55 PM


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However, the back-of-the-envelope probability arguments that have appeared in the creationist-intelligent design literature do not help unravel these profound questions, because these arguments are riddled with severe errors that would disqualify them from rigorously peer-reviewed journals in the evolutionary biology field, not because of their implication for evolution (pro or con), but instead because such reasoning is well-known to be invalid in numerous other contexts. These difficulties include:
1. Presuming an utterly unrealistic and patently false probability model, such as presuming that all instances of a 141-long amino acid sequence are equally likely to occur in a real organism, so that the probability of any particular instance is merely the reciprocal of the total number of theoretical possibilities. Such reckonings, based on enumerating theoretical possibilities rather than real empirical data, have no credibility.
I told you at the start that this forum has a lot of experience with refuted creationists arguments. The whole slate of creationist probability fantasies are part of that. This paragraph is just about one. There are many more listed as fallacious in the body of the article. You should read it.
Do probability arguments refute evolution? « Math Scholar

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Message 17 of 98 (907712)
02-27-2023 8:42 PM
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02-27-2023 8:28 PM


Only simple minded plebs, believe that the argument has been refuted.
Yes, of course. Regardless, creationist probability arguments against evolution have been refuted as demonstrated. That is the reality and you have not challenged it. You bitch about it and insult the mathematicians behind it but the reality is there still.

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Message 19 of 98 (907723)
02-27-2023 9:18 PM
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02-27-2023 9:03 PM


Your two points were both versions of the same error I quoted in my message. That is why I quoted it. You didn't read the paper did you.

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Message 21 of 98 (907731)
02-27-2023 9:43 PM
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02-27-2023 9:32 PM


What did I not understand about your two probability points?

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Message 23 of 98 (907736)
02-27-2023 9:57 PM
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02-27-2023 9:55 PM


Then feel free to enlighten me.

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Message 66 of 98 (907898)
03-01-2023 3:08 PM
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03-01-2023 1:39 PM


We could ask your ID god ... if anyone could find it.

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