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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Everytime we see something that does not fit the hierarchy, evolutionists just change and adjust their narrative and stories. Can you provide examples of something that does not fit in the hierarchy? Do you understand that scientists have to report what they actually observe, even if it modifies what we thought from prior observations? That is the nature of science.
We have mammals that fly, mammals that swim in deep oceans, mammals with beaks. And interestingly, we do not have a single mammal with bird feathers, or a single mammal with fish gills, and I have no idea what mammal you think has a bird beak. If you think that Platypuses have bird beaks, then you need to do a bit more study of Platypus physiology and behavior. Powered flight has only evolved 3 times in vertebrates, Pterosaurs, Bats and Birds all adapted forelimbs into wings, by modifying them differently to function as wings. Powered flight only evolved once in all the invertebrates, in the Insects, and they were masters of the air many millions of years before any of the flying vertebrates.
The countless variety in species is evidence for design, if anything. The only designed things we know about are created by humans, in what ways does the countless variety in species resemble anything created by humans? I don't know whether you are talking about the countless variety within a species or when comparing variety between species, but so far, you haven't demonstrated how variety is evidence for design.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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sensei writes: Nested hierarchy proves nothing. Yes, it does. It proves common ancestry and evolution. A nested hierarchy is exactly what we should see if common ancestry and evolution are true, and that is exactly what we see.
All evolutionists can do is make up stories and be impressed by their precious tree of life. What story? If you don't think common ancestry and evolution would produce a nested hierarchy then please tell us what pattern it would produce, and why. If you don't think complex life falls into a nested hierarchy then provide the evidence.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
The life tree is not one of evolution. Look at the many species of crocodiles, mosquitos, spiders, ants, worms, snakes, butterflies. Such huge varieties in sizes, colors, shapes, but each fit perfectly inside their niche group for period of tens or hundreds of millions of years. Yet one single mammal ancestor species supposedly branched by progressive evolution into over 20 different orders of species. Such variety in one group on the level of orders, but the absence of such in so many other common groups, is evidence of design choice. It does not at all fit the evolution narrative of random mutation upon mutation upon mutation happening in each and every group.
Evolutionists are living in denial of obvious truth. Obvious for wiser men who know how to comprehend and appreciate the intelligence hidden in plain sight.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
And we don't have a single organism with a jet engine. You want to bore me with lists of what we don't have? To prove what exactly?
So you think evolution must be true, because no mammal has feathers? Making up arbitrary rules, to defend your precious theory is just pathetic!
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: Such huge varieties in sizes, colors, shapes, but each fit perfectly inside their niche group for period of tens or hundreds of millions of years. How does that disprove evolution?
Such variety in one group on the level of orders, but the absence of such in so many other common groups, is evidence of design choice. Those species fit into a nested hierarchy which is evidence against design choice. You also have not explained why differences in variation within groups is evidence of design choice. You have just asserted it with absolutely no evidence. You also can't explain why we see a nested hierarchy instead of some other pattern.
It does not at all fit the evolution narrative of random mutation upon mutation upon mutation happening in each and every group. Why not????
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
When we find a person on the ground that is covered in blood, that is what we can expect if he was stabbed with a knife. According to your logic, all people that bleed, must have been stabbed by a knife. And you think to prove you wrong, one needs to prove that knife does not cause bleeding.
Learn basic logic before doing science, for goodness sakes. It does not matter what evolution theory would produce, according to your primitive mind. Universal common ancestry is not real.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: You want to bore me with lists of what we don't have? Why can't we have features found in other species?
So you think evolution must be true, because no mammal has feathers? I think evolution must be true because the observations match the predictions made by the theory. One of those predictions is a nested hierarchy. You have yet to show that common ancestry and evolution would not produce a nested hierarchy. You have yet to give a reason why design would necessarily produce a nested hierarchy.
Making up arbitrary rules, to defend your precious theory is just pathetic! What arbitrary rules? If you want an example of an arbitrary rule, look no further than this: "Such variety in one group on the level of orders, but the absence of such in so many other common groups, is evidence of design choice."
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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sensei writes: When we find a person on the ground that is covered in blood, that is what we can expect if he was stabbed with a knife. According to your logic, all people that bleed, must have been stabbed by a knife. And you think to prove you wrong, one needs to prove that knife does not cause bleeding. What we have is a dead person laying on the ground covered in bloods with holes in their body that exactly match the shape of a knife. We also find metal shavings in the wounds that matches a knife at the defendant's house. We also find that the shape of the knife exactly matches the holes in the body. We also find the victim's blood on the knife. That's the level of evidence we have.
29+ evidences for macroevolution
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Making up arbitrary rules, to defend your precious theory is just pathetic! What rules? These are observations of the patterns of descent that are documented for everyone to see.
So you think evolution must be true, because no mammal has feathers? No, I think the evidence supports the observation that birds have not inherited any mammal features from their ancestors, and that mammals have not inherited any bird features from their ancestors since their last common ancestor.
And we don't have a single organism with a jet engine. And you would be incorrect. Dragonfly nymphs are well known to be able to expel water from their abdomens with such force as to be jet propelled, so that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 species that have jet engines.
You want to bore me with lists of what we don't have? To prove what exactly? You asked questions and we're answering with the actual answers but you're too bored notice. Why are you here if you don't want a discussion? If you want to prove something, go for it, but we are not trying to prove anything, we are just providing supporting evidence, which is what science does.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Yet they use jet propulsion. Weird!
Time for you to go home I think. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Brainless troll!
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
I presented a failed prediction of common ancestry. But you labeled it as arbitrary rule. You lost your touch with reality.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Conclusion is, your reasoning is flawed. Thanks for proving that yourself.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
And your point is what?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Godless moron.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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