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Phat
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Message 16 of 303 (906703)
02-16-2023 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Theodoric
02-16-2023 8:44 AM


Re: Conservatives vs Liberals
I don't even know what a Gish Gallop is...im not a Biblical Creationist. What I do know is that before I rush to reply to your posts, I try and read what you accuse me of being ignorant of and RESPOND rather than simply REACT. More than once i've put my foot in my mouth by REACTING rather than RESPONDING.

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Message 17 of 303 (906704)
02-16-2023 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
02-16-2023 11:32 AM


Re: Will Fascism Come To America?
Phat writes:
Do you have anything more substantive?
Let's go back to the people who protested the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville. This was a in 2017 after Trump took office. Trump openly gave shelter to fascist groups within the Republican party, and they showed up at that protest.
The protesters were heard to be chanting "Blood and Soil", the English version of the Nazi slogan "Blut und Boden". This phrase is perhaps the purest distillation of fascism. It unites ethnicity and ultranationalism, the hallmarks of fascism. These are the types of people who have been emboldened by the current Republican party, and in turn the Republican party has started to bend to their demands and take on their attributes.
The video below is a great explanation of what fascism is. I highly recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T_98uT1IZs

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Theodoric
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Message 18 of 303 (906710)
02-16-2023 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
02-16-2023 11:36 AM


Re: Democracy vs. Republic
So you are still a liar?
What culture are you talking about?
Or are you going to run away like a scared little boy? Again .

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 19 of 303 (906721)
02-16-2023 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-16-2023 11:48 AM


Re: Conservatives vs Liberals
It is my fault you are a willfully ignorant racist. I was responding to your OP. Your lies and racism were on your OP not a response. So lying again.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 20 of 303 (906725)
02-16-2023 12:37 PM
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02-16-2023 11:32 AM


Re: Will Fascism Come To America?
Are they using government to mangage corporations?

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Phat
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Message 21 of 303 (906727)
02-16-2023 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Theodoric
02-15-2023 10:30 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
Addressing your criticism specifically.
Theo writes:
What do you mean by their culture?
I specifically had the African Americans in mind. Of the many diverse cultures, it is their culture that is mentioned as needing compensation. What was that story out of San Francisco regarding reparations? I never did my homework.
So lets go down the checklist.
Theo writes:
You are still an idiot.
Guilty.
Who is getting handouts?
Nobody yet, apart from crooked politicians.
Who gets a blank check?
Good question. Again, there is nobody specifically I was referring to. I was referring to governmental largess in general. It is always easy to spend public money. The question is how effectively is it being spent.
You have shown absolutely no understanding of finance and economics
Bullshit. Start a topic. The floor needs wiping.

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Message 22 of 303 (906729)
02-16-2023 12:56 PM
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02-16-2023 12:49 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
Phat writes:
I specifically had the African Americans in mind. Of the many diverse cultures, it is their culture that is mentioned as needing compensation.
I don't support reparations, and many liberals do not support reparations. College grants, training grants, and small business loans aimed at disadvantaged minorities would make a lot more sense.
We also have to remember that segregation wasn't that long ago. There are people alive today who lived through it.
It wasn't that long ago where a black person would be followed and shouted at for daring to attend a public university, a university that the black person's tax dollars supported.

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Theodoric
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Message 23 of 303 (906762)
02-16-2023 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
02-16-2023 12:49 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
So it was racism. The poor white people, of which there are millions more, get a free pass because they are white? How do you feel about latinos and hispanics? Asians? Indigenous people?
Unless your father was a generation older than my parents I call bullshit on .20/hour. The minimum wage was .25 in 1938. In the 1930's my grandfather worked for $8/week in Puerto Rico. That works out to .20/hr in a 40-hour work week but he worked more than 40.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 24 of 303 (906782)
02-16-2023 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
02-15-2023 7:54 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
They need to learn to keep up through personal initiative rather than handouts.
I will admit it. I benefited from handouts.
The government paid most of the cost of my education (elementary, high school and undergraduate). That enabled me to have a good career. I have since paid a lot in taxes, and I'm sure that I have paid far more in taxes than was in the subsidy.
But it was a bit unfair. My education was subsidized by the Australian government, but my tax payback went to the American government.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 25 of 303 (906790)
02-16-2023 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Theodoric
02-16-2023 3:00 PM


You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
Theo writes:
The poor white people, of which there are millions more, get a free pass because they are white?
My Father and Mother grew up as poor as your grandparents did. I threw 20 cents an hour out there...it very well could have been 30 cents an hour...I dunno. But I DO know that when my parents married, after the war, they had nothing except the clothes on their back.
My Dad had but one thing. The training he received from the US Navy being a motor machinists mate 2nd class. He knew how to work on engines. And my Uncle taught him how to build houses. People are people. They should not be judged on the color of their skin, their last name, or what their ancestors endured. People should be judged on the content of their character. Ben Shapiro is often vilified not for being Jewish but for being Conservative. I may be guilty of some measure of racism and/or sexism. It is something I need to be aware of and try to rectify.
(Swapped Ben out for a more relevant video that is working)

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Phat
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Message 26 of 303 (906791)
02-16-2023 4:12 PM
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02-16-2023 12:56 PM


Re: Phat begins new thread
I will admit that neither I nor my parents endured what many African Americans did.

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Theodoric
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Message 27 of 303 (906793)
02-16-2023 4:22 PM
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02-16-2023 4:08 PM


Re: You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
I threw 20 cents an hour out there...it very well could have been 30 cents an hour...I dunno
Yet another lie.
They should not be judged on the color of their skin, their last name,
Yet you do.
People should be judged on the content of their character.
Yet you do not.
Ben Shapiro, is vilified not for being Jewish but for being Conservative. And he is not racist, either.
Yeah, he is. And why should he be vilified for being Jewish?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 28 of 303 (906795)
02-16-2023 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-16-2023 11:48 AM


Re: Conservatives vs Liberals
Phat admits his ignorance with:
I don't even know what a Gish Gallop is...
Migod man, how long have you been here? December 30, 2003?
A site that is mainly about Evolution versus Creationism and you joined almost 20 years ago and you still don't know???
Why are you even here?

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Phat
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Message 29 of 303 (906796)
02-16-2023 4:30 PM
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02-16-2023 4:22 PM


Re: You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
It seems to me that you just want to fight.

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Message 30 of 303 (906797)
02-16-2023 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by xongsmith
02-16-2023 4:26 PM


Re: Conservatives vs Liberals
Google or bing can help:
The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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