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Theodoric
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Message 76 of 128 (906377)
02-11-2023 10:53 AM
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02-11-2023 9:43 AM


Do a hard refresh on your phone browser. Instructions are all over the internet. As you are an admitted idiot if you tell me your phone and browser I can tell you how to do it.
I love when fundie idiots need help from a soulless, evil atheist

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 77 of 128 (906379)
02-11-2023 11:15 AM
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02-11-2023 9:57 AM


Who Is? It Is The GOP
so of course I looked up "sloganizing". Which led me to the word "Slogan".
Websters writes:
a word or phrase used to express a characteristic position or stand or a goal to be achieved
I also noted a synonym:
Catchphrase: a word or expression that is used repeatedly and conveniently to represent or characterize a person, group, idea, or point of view
Which takes me full circle back to Hiyakawas book, Language In Thought & Action.
The reason that I became hung up on freedom over equality is because I read that it was a basic GOP stance. And to me, the GOP does not begin and end with Trump. There has to be more.
Granted they have devolved since Nelson Rockefeller.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 78 of 128 (906380)
02-11-2023 11:18 AM
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02-11-2023 11:15 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
Phat writes:
The reason that I became hung up on freedom over equality is because I read that it was a basic GOP stance.
And they are lying and you are too ignorant to know what the egress is.
Yes, it is the GOP that are the ones that oppose freedom. oppose rule of law, that oppose truth, that oppose knowledge, that oppose religious freedom that are actively and successfully meddling in ever facet of Americans lives.

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Message 79 of 128 (906381)
02-11-2023 11:20 AM
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02-11-2023 11:18 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
Trump himself has become a catchphrase. Surely there is more than just him.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 80 of 128 (906382)
02-11-2023 11:26 AM
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02-11-2023 11:20 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
I did not even mention Trump and yes, he is but one of the hucksters and grifters. Ron Desantis and Sarah Huckabee Sanders and a large percentage of the Federal, State and Local GOP are also the Black Shirts and Goebbels and Himmlers of the current fascist movements in the US. The Three Stoogies in Austin are another example.
And just like Hitler and Togo and Mussolini, elected and popular.

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Message 81 of 128 (906383)
02-11-2023 11:27 AM
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02-11-2023 11:18 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
And they are lying and you are too ignorant to know what the egress is.
The exit? Surely it is not so simple as another tax break! If so, the Republicans simply want to rob the American people. (Now I'm agreeing with Xongsmith and Damselfly! Can't believe it!)

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 82 of 128 (906385)
02-11-2023 11:47 AM
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02-11-2023 11:26 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
See I disagree with your extreme view. Earlier, someone mentioned that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was Conservative because she was deplorable. Thats just too extreme for me.
If it could be summed up, Republicans have come to represent the ME party. Me and my children. Democrats represent the WE party. The problem there is that if you let them run on and on, they will expand WE until the concept becomes unsustainable. And on an unrelated note, you still don't understand money.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 83 of 128 (906395)
02-11-2023 12:37 PM
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02-11-2023 11:47 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
You are simply hopeless and pathetic.
I pity you.
And you still don't have a clue about Jesus.

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Message 84 of 128 (906396)
02-11-2023 12:48 PM
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02-10-2023 11:23 PM


Re: Definitions?
The fact that AZ and Theodoric mention its importance is enough for me to be biased against it. The day we all agree around here will be a scary day indeed.
"they're for it so I'm against it" the true sign of a giant fucking idiot.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 85 of 128 (906402)
02-11-2023 1:09 PM
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02-10-2023 11:23 PM


Re: Definitions?
The fact that AZ and Theodoric mention its importance is enough for me to be biased against it.
A most stellar display of critical thinking. Religious thought at its finest.
No we do not expect you to believe us. We expect you to do the due diligence and find out. Due diligence does not include reliance on radical right sites as your sole source.

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Message 86 of 128 (906409)
02-11-2023 3:18 PM
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02-11-2023 11:27 AM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
Surely it is not so simple as another tax break! If so, the Republicans simply want to rob the American people.
Rather, they are serving their constituency, which is not the people and most definitely not us middle class folk, but rather large industries and corporations and the richest who donate so much money to them. As the Republican office holders seek greater personal wealth at any cost, they also keep an eye not only on which side their bread's buttered, but also the source of that butter.
For example, the Republicans have long sought to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. Why? Why would anybody with the slightest shred of humanity want to deliberately cause such harm to innocent people?
The answer is money. Social Security and Medicare benefits are funded by trust funds built up from payroll taxes. Everybody who pays into Social Security (some professions, like teachers, are exempt) pays 7.5% of their income through FICA (Federal Insurance Contributions Act) and their employers match their contributions thus bringing the total contribution per employee up to 15%. The simple fact is that corporations don't want to pay that payroll tax, so they lobby their Republican minions to get rid of it.
This became clear when Trump pulled a clueless Bush I "tax break", though in Trump's case there was an ulterior motive. The George H.W. Bush ("Bush 41") "generously" gave us a "federal income tax break" by reducing the amount of federal income tax withholding (FITW), thus increasing the amount of take-home pay, but without reducing the amount of income tax we would owe at the end of the year. As a result, we would still owe the same in taxes, but have less withholding with which to pay it. I know that many taxpayers who do not plan their taxes look forward to their tax refunds, seeing it as "free money" (even though it's their own money that the government has had use of all year interest-free), and rely on that big refund check to pay for necessities and bills they've been putting off. They were all caught short by Bush41's clueless "largesse".
Trump pulled a similar stunt when he ordered the suspension of the collection of FICA payroll taxes for the rest of the year (for the last 3 or 4 months, as I seem to recall, with the threat to make it permanent the next year). That did not eliminate the requirement to collect those taxes, but rather postponed collection until the next year. That meant that while workers were taking home 7.5% more for the rest of the year, starting at the beginning of the year their paychecks would be 15% lower as they needed to catch up on their FICA contributions. And since any increase in a worker's pay immediately gets spent on necessities, loss of that increase would be very sorely felt.
So why did Trump do it? What was his ulterior motive?
That postponement of paying FICA directly benefited the employers. For those few months, those companies didn't have to pay payroll taxes, thus giving them extra money to invest, post profits, buy back stock, or to do whatever they wanted to do. Even though they'd have to pay it back the next year, they would still have been able to profit from that extra money (something that they could do but their workers couldn't) and, besides, the next year is in another FY quarter (one of the problems with modern business is that they live from quarter to quarter with their thinking and planning not extending beyond the current quarter).
So how much money are we talking about? Let's assume a company with 1000 employees whose average annual income is $50,000. Each worker would pay 7.5% of that each year in payroll taxes: $3750. At the same time, the company would need to pay that same amount per employee, amounting to annual payroll taxes of $3.75 million. Not an insignificant amount of money.
Now scale that example up to the number of employees of actual corporations (quick Google results):
quote:
Walmart -- 2,300,000
Amazon -- 1,544,000
United Parcel Service -- 500,000
Kroger -- 500,000
Home Depot -- 500,000
Target -- 450,000
Starbucks -- 383,000
Berkshire Hathaway -- 372,000
United Health -- 350,000
FedEx -- 345,000
Cognizant Technology Solutions -- 341,300
TJX Companies -- 340,000
Pepsico -- 309,000
Costco -- 304,000
Lowe's Companies -- 300,000
JP Morgan Chase -- 293,723
Concentrix -- 290,000
IBM -- 282,100
Jabil -- 250,000
Aramark -- 248,300
Wells Fargo -- 238,698
Citigroup -- 238,000
Microsoft -- 221,000
Bank of America -- 216,823
CVS Health -- 216,000
AT&T -- 203,000
Walgreens Boots Alliance -- 200,000
Comcast -- 189,000
Alphabet (Google) -- 186,779
Of course, those are only the USA-based companies in an international top-100 list, so I left out foreign-based companies that operate in the USA and employ Americans (eg, Volkswagen, Panasonic, Toyota, Hitachi, Honda). In addition, a number of those USA-based companies also have business overseas where they employ non-Americans not subject to FICA. Plus, we don't know the average annual income of employees of those companies. I offer that list only for some perspective of how small our thousand-employee company is and how small a tax bite that $3.75 million is compared to what actual corporations face.
The amount of money companies have to pay in payroll taxes can be significant, even when only a small part of their total cost of business. Instead of using that money to pay taxes that benefit their employees, they would much rather have it for themselves. In the hyper-capitalistic world of international corporations run by bean-counters, the bottom line is the supreme goal in service of which we are all nothing but beans.
BTW, those capitalists are your "globalists" who will without hesitation ship all our jobs overseas if that would reduce their cost-per-unit by pennies (and hence increase their total profit by millions).
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I am reminded of National Lampoon's early-70's article on California. It included a photo of the California war memorial (Viet Nam War was still on-going) designed by Los Angeles' Cultural Director Ronald McDonald. It was a McDonald's whose sign replaced the "n burgers sold" with the death count (ie, "n Dead"): "... which echoes the theme that we are all meat."

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Message 87 of 128 (906410)
02-11-2023 3:30 PM
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Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
Earlier, someone mentioned that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was Conservative because she was deplorable.
She is not a Conservative, but rather she is a MAGAt. And a professional and shameless liar from her capacity as spokes-MAGAt for Trump.
Her State of the Union "response" not only ignored the State of the Union address we all just heard, but it was also devoid of Conservative values or ideals. Instead, it was nothing but nonsensical culture war rhetoric. For me the only surprise was that she didn't also throw in the "War on Christmas" bullshit.
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One day on Progressive Radio, a host working out of her home studio was conducting an interview in which the interviewee was going through several MAGAt "talking points" when the host's dog started barking. "I'm sorry for that. She's reacting to all the dog whistles."

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Message 88 of 128 (906414)
02-11-2023 4:55 PM
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Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
jar writes:
I pity you.

And you still don't have a clue about Jesus.
Well you threw Him away, so I don't expect any answers from you except what you always say. In fact, I will write your post for you.
jar unplugged writes:
you simply ignore ALL of the evidence people have provided for you if it doesn't say what you want to hear.
Not in this case. I am using your own words to write this post. Trust me, you are not what I want to hear. At least ringo is humorous about it!
jar unplugged writes:
Believers believe the fantasy they create.
Since we are talking about the GOP, let me fix that for you.
jar unplugged writes:
Believers The GOP believe the fantasy they create.
And I would add that *if* what you all assert is true in that the GOP is evil, they believe none of what they peddle. They are the ones who are leading the US middle class astray much like a Pied Piper.
Though Nixon initially decoupled gold from the US Dollar, it was the Democratic administrations who kept them apart once they realized that the lie could be believed that the dollar was as "good as gold". It took Gerald Ford to rescue his wealthy neighbors by signing an executive order which allowed private ownership of Gold again. Who do you think pushes the narrative that fiat money is destined to crash and that hard commodities will preserve an individuals purchasing power during a coming "great reset" when the bill will get paid?
Its not the Democrats.
They want to preserve this illusion that money is simply created as needed and that the GOP are "Gold bugs". Ask China what they think of Gold.(They know its value and likely own more than anyone else!) Ask India. The handwriting is on the wall for the US Dollar and the Conservatives know it...they are just trying to stir up interest among the sheeple so that the dollar will crash...while the Democrats want to preserve the lie that the people themselves determine the value of anything...be it Gold,Copper,Oil, or Weed.
jar unplugged writes:
Phat, I was an optician and I made $400 a month salary.

Gas was about a quarter a gallon.

My rent was $90.00 a month and that included all utilities.

Stop thinking in terms of one dimension.

Yes inflation happens but so does wage increases.

The problem is the willful ignorance of folk like you and a significant percentage of the US voting population; YOU elect and support people that fuck you. That's not their fault, it's YOUR fault.
We are afraid that the Democrats want to raise the tide and that our boats might sink. (Though I realize that likely would happen anyway, Dems or not.) I voted for Biden and look what happened with inflation!
jar unplugged writes:
The US has fallen out of the top 10 nations in innovation.(...)We are simply not competing and have decided not to compete for decades. We sat on the bench while China and Southeast Asia and Korea and Japan and Europe and Africa and South America scored again and again and again.

We need to compete.

We are no longer the innovators, the inventors, the builders, the leaders.(...)If the US dollar tanks then everyone else in the world would be positioned to profit from our demise.
The Dems want to raise the tide by helping the poor, while expecting us older retirees to bite the bullet. Thats what causes me anxiety.
But we are drifting off track here. You said I had no clue about Jesus. ringo has held my feet to the fire regarding that accusation, and will likely chime in here to offer his two loonies worth.
jar unplugged writes:
How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe?
We've been over this a brazillion times. ringo would agree that Christianity is about what we do and on what the message says. Both He and you have tossed the messenger out with the bathwater. I dont believe in a Jesus limited to the book. I believe that He existed long before the book was written...indeed before humans themselves.
I believe it was He that walked with Adam in the garden.(even if metaphorically) I believe that He was Melchizedek. And I believe that Satan was the King of Tyre.
jar unplugged writes:
beliefs are irrelevant.
Then why even tell me that I don't even have a clue about Jesus? Why not instead tell me that I don't have a clue about myself? I might actually agree with you then.


The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 89 of 128 (906417)
02-11-2023 5:24 PM
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02-11-2023 4:55 PM


Re: Who Is? It Is The GOP
I voted for Biden and look what happened with inflation!
Serious? You blame the office of president for the economic inflation that gripped the whole fuckin world?
You keep complaining people here don't understand money. If you understood money or economics or the ever growing entwining of the whole global structure you could not be so wrong so often.
The governments did cause the inflation - in response to plague. It started with Trump, then China, then Europe and on. When you pour that much liquidity into an economy you get inflation. The alternative was to do less and risk a depression that may likely have bankrupted more than a few big banks and businesses. The panicked-domino effect was on the table.
But you're not driving a race car here. Economies, no matter how fast they run, run pretty much on their own without regard to our political timetables. It takes massive interventions to move an entire world, even domestic, economy and the levers available are not all that responsive in anything less than years.
See how long it took the Fed and it's counterparts to finally start cooling this thing.
Don't blame Biden. He inherited this mess.

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Message 90 of 128 (906420)
02-11-2023 5:50 PM
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Phat is still clueless about any of the basics.
And today's inflation, just like today's crime rate are simply pitiful shadows of inflation and crime in the recent past.
Phat has absolutely no idea of any reality; he is just totally out of touch with reality.

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