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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 128 (906290)
02-09-2023 2:56 PM
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02-08-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Is She Also Deplorable For Being Conservative?
No. She is conservative because she is deplorable.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 128 (906291)
02-09-2023 2:57 PM
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02-09-2023 1:04 PM


Reload the website. You need to clear your cache.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 128 (906292)
02-09-2023 2:59 PM
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02-09-2023 12:42 PM


Re: Bidens Speech
Some of us go to Puerto Rico. What race are Puerto Ricans?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 34 of 128 (906294)
02-09-2023 3:34 PM
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02-09-2023 1:04 PM


Did you do a hard reset? In chrome it is ctrl + Page reload icon

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 35 of 128 (906296)
02-09-2023 7:21 PM
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02-09-2023 8:50 AM


Re: What Is A Rockefeller Republican?
I remember Reagan. Why was he a traitor? A traitor to the old-school Conservatives?
I DO remember how he started the National Debt. And of how he essentially sowed the seeds for Vladimir Putin when Communism fell. But this is where it gets foggy. Of all of the past presidents, Biden is the only one who saw Putin for what he was and is. Biden knows the black soul that is Vladimir Putin. My only take on the Ukrainian War now is that Ukraine may lose. But that's another topic for another day. The issue is the modern Republican Party. And they won't let America fall. (By this, however, they mean America the Empire). They are not concerned about the American people. And this is where it all gets foggy. Why do the Populists love Trump so much? And if Reagan split the Conservatives, what does that say about Trump?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 36 of 128 (906297)
02-09-2023 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Theodoric
02-09-2023 2:56 PM


rWhat Sort Of Conservative is Sarah Huckabee Sanders?
Now you guys really have me curious about the devolution of the Conservative Party.
Before jar brought up Nelson Rockefeller, I thought that the damage to the Conservatives started when they married religion with politics in the days of the Moral Majority. Now I am seeing rabbit trails that I never learned about before.
Trump split them again, but I don't worry about Trump so much as I worry about the future of the Republican Party. jar claims it is fascism. As I connect the dots, I might ask:
Does Populism inevitably lead to Fascism?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 37 of 128 (906298)
02-09-2023 7:32 PM
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02-09-2023 1:32 PM


Re: What Is A Rockefeller Republican?
ringo writes:
You DO know that Google remembers what you search for, don't you? That's why everything you find tends to agree with everything you found before. You have to be clever to fool Google.
I usually use Duck Duck Go. And why would I want to find stuff that supported your argument rather than mine? (Seriously I know why.) That reminds me...I've been slacking in my online class. I better get back there.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 38 of 128 (906299)
02-09-2023 7:53 PM
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02-09-2023 7:21 PM


Re: What Is A Rockefeller Republican?
Research Iran Contra. In detail.

My Website: My Website

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Message 39 of 128 (906300)
02-09-2023 8:14 PM


MAGA and 1920's and 1930's Germany
I'm starting to study what happened to Germany in the post-Great War reparations bills that they were forced to pay. I can see some interesting parallels with the besieged Working Class today.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 40 of 128 (906301)
02-09-2023 8:22 PM
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02-09-2023 8:14 PM


Re: MAGA and 1920's and 1930's Germany
If you look hard enough you can probably see a pink elephant in there too.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 41 of 128 (906302)
02-09-2023 8:39 PM
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02-08-2023 10:33 AM


For one thing, I agree with her rebuttal to Bidens state of the union speech.
I'm not sure just when the televised "responses" (by the other party) to the State of the Union speeches started, but at least in the past several, they seem to be not as much a response as they are just a re-hashing of the talking points of the party without the presidency. There are speech writers for the SOTU speeches, and I doubt if Sarah was the only one that came up with what she said - it looked like it was all planned out before the SOTU speech happened. It was the same when whoever it was (can't remember) responded to Trump's SOTU speeches.
It was about a half hour after Biden finished before she got started. I agreed with it of course, it's standard, accepted conservatism, despite what some Biden loving, free speech supporting (har) Democrats say here. But it seems like it could be prepared in a way that allowed someone like Sarah to plug in some actual quotes from the speech and address them. In the half hour between the speeches, there could be a room full of conservative note takers and suggestion makers who could quickly put together something like that in that half hour, including letting Sarah wing it on addressing a few of the things he said. She, or any number of others considered qualified to do that job, should be quick enough on their feet to do that. I didn't carefully analyze her speech, just watched it once, but I don't remember her being specific on anything he actually said. Comments Phat?

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Message 42 of 128 (906303)
02-09-2023 8:52 PM
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02-08-2023 11:16 AM


Re: Is She Also Deplorable For Being Conservative?
*No, she is deplorable for trying to claim to be a conservative.
Phat writes:
My next question to you (Jar)is this:
What is a Conservative?
*Not anything seen in the US today.
*But today even Joe Biden is way too far to the hard right of conservatism as to approach fascism.
*And about basics. It's time y0ou tried to learn what "fascism" really means.

*You'll find it is exactly what the MAGA and GOP stand for and advocate.
Have you ever seen a political, round table discussion on CNN, MSNBC, or the mainstream networks by experienced, respected liberal commentators? Imagine you being included there, having a discussion with them. How do you think they would react to you? Do you have a source for any of these things you say?

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Message 43 of 128 (906306)
02-09-2023 10:08 PM
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02-09-2023 8:22 PM


Re: MAGA and 1920's and 1930's Germany
AZShroomer writes:
If you look hard enough you can probably see a pink elephant in there too.
I started with a source from Encyclopeddia Britannica: Years-of-crises-1920-23
Let's see...
Britannica:
A revived and radicalized right wing asked whether the German army might not have been stabbed in the back by traitors on the home front. Racist circles took seriously the notorious Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, a fraudulent document fabricated in Russia in 1895 and published in Germany in 1920, which suggested that all of recent history, including World War I, resulted from a conspiracy of Jews seeking to control the world.
So far, I see racism, fake news, and suggestions by the right wing that vilified their political enemies. I may have struck gold, here. No pink elephants so far, though.
quote:
Freikorps, English Free Corps, any of several private paramilitary groups that first appeared in December 1918 in the wake of Germany’s defeat in World War I. Composed of ex-soldiers, unemployed youth, and other discontents and led by ex-officers and other former military personnel, they proliferated all over Germany in the spring and summer of 1919 and eventually numbered more than 65 corps of various names, sizes, and descriptions. Most were nationalistic and radically conservative and were employed unofficially but effectively to put down left-wing revolts and uprisings in Berlin, Bremen, Brunswick, Hamburg, Halle, Leipzig, Silesia, Thuringia, and the Ruhr.
I'm Not sure which radical group could compare with Freikorp, although the Proud Boys come to mind. To be fair, what about Antifa? Just because a group is radically Left rather than radically Right does not make them any less of a threat to national stability.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 44 of 128 (906307)
02-09-2023 10:15 PM
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Comments to marc9K in general
I have a friend who is far right. He considers himself a hardworking patriot. He loves America and what it "used to stand for." You see, his parents wer immigrants from Argentina. They believed in the American Dream and in hard work and the opportunity to get ahead. They likely would have been sickened by this CRT, Woke Agenda, equality over freedom nonsense that the Left by and large advocates. Of course, I argue with him too. I always like playing devil's advocate no matter what your argument is.
By the way, he watches Fox News way more than I do.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 45 of 128 (906308)
02-09-2023 10:21 PM
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02-09-2023 10:15 PM


Definitions?
hey likely would have been sickened by this CRT, Woke Agenda, equality over freedom nonsense that the Left by and large advocates.
Just what is CRT? What is a "woke agenda"? What is wrong with equality over freedom and how do you think it should be?

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