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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 586 of 1197 (905984)
02-06-2023 10:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 585 by Dredge
02-06-2023 9:29 AM
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Dredge writes: Life has meaning only if it's eternal. A finite life is as meaningless as meaningless can get. Just because you can't find meaning in a finite life does not prevent others from finding meaning in a finite life. Given the ignorance you have spread on this forum, I doubt your opinion on these matters would sway anyone.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 587 of 1197 (905985)
02-06-2023 10:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 585 by Dredge
02-06-2023 9:29 AM
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Life has meaning only if it's eternal. What sick religious drivel. Life has meaning and value because it is fleeting. We don't need “purpose” from the universe. We’re freer and it is more noble, admirable, to give point to our lives ourselves rather than accept it from your fictitious sky pimp.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 588 of 1197 (906019)
02-06-2023 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 585 by Dredge
02-06-2023 9:29 AM
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Life has meaning only if it's eternal. A finite life is as meaningless as meaningless can get.
I look around at my family and friends. I look at the beauty of the world around me. I also look at the religious nutjobs I combat every day. In all those things I find meaning and my life has meaning.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5952 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.7
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Message 589 of 1197 (906027)
02-06-2023 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 587 by AZPaul3
02-06-2023 10:46 AM
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We don't need “purpose” from the universe. We’re freer and it is more noble, admirable, to give point to our lives ourselves rather than accept it from your fictitious sky pimp. Isn't what Dredge is pushing characteristic of abuse? Destroying in the victim any sense of worth outside of the abuser. Making the victim of that abuse dependent on the abuser, thus trapping the victim in a cycle of never-ending and ever-escalating abuse and exploitation. So Dredge is pimping for his own pimp who's also pimping for his own pimp, etc? A pyramid scheme creating a hierarchy of pimps.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 590 of 1197 (906039)
02-06-2023 1:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 588 by Theodoric
02-06-2023 12:31 PM
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Theodorkic writes: I look around at my family and friends. I look at the beauty of the world around me.
You're confusing feelings and emotions with meaning.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 591 of 1197 (906049)
02-06-2023 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 590 by Dredge
02-06-2023 1:33 PM
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You're confusing feelings and emotions with meaning. Is he? How so? How does one experience meaning if not emotionally? Again, you didn't think this through. The quip fell into your head then onto your keyboard without passing through intellect. Gotta stop doing that, Dredge.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 592 of 1197 (906052)
02-06-2023 2:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 587 by AZPaul3
02-06-2023 10:46 AM
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APauling666 writes: What sick religious drivel.
Suddenly I feel sick.
Life has meaning and value because it is fleeting.
Stupid, irrational nonsense. APauling. Never say that again.
We don't need “purpose” from the universe.
Well, on the contrary, it seems that "we" do - I wish I had a dollar for every atheist who mindlessly but vehmently insists that their life has meaning. In other words, it's evident they do indeed "need 'purpose' from the universe." The vast majority of atheists don't have the courage to face up to the implications of their own beliefs. If I were an atheist, I would accept that life is utterly pointless and meaningless ... and therefore worthless.
We’re freer and it is more noble, admirable, to give point to our lives ourselves rather than accept it from your fictitious sky pimp.
Firstly, I didn't say anything about God. Secondly, not even God can give a finite life meaning ... if God said to me, "I'll give you 80 years of life, and after you die there is nothing forevermore", I would still consider that 80 years to be meaningless. Only an eternity gives life meaning. Sorry.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 593 of 1197 (906053)
02-06-2023 2:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 589 by dwise1
02-06-2023 12:47 PM
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Firstly, what the hell are you talking about, unwise1? Have you been drinking? Secondly, I think you must be confusing me with someone else.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 594 of 1197 (906054)
02-06-2023 2:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 592 by Dredge
02-06-2023 2:11 PM
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Sludge writes: If I were an atheist, I would accept that life is utterly pointless and meaningless ... and therefore worthless. Your life seems utterly pointless and meaningless and therefore worthless.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 595 of 1197 (906057)
02-06-2023 2:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 586 by Taq
02-06-2023 10:46 AM
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Taq writes: Just because you can't find meaning in a finite life does not prevent others from finding meaning in a finite life.
Since a finite life is meaningless, it doesn't matter if one finds meaning in it or not. All thoughts are meaningless.
Given the ignorance you have spread on this forum
Huh???? Er, no ... not me. I haven't spread any ignorance on this forum. I am a fount of knowledge, reason, wisdom and truth.
I doubt your opinion on these matters would sway anyone.
An atheist's capacity for self-delusion is a powerful thing.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Tanypteryx writes: Your life seems utterly pointless and meaningless and therefore worthless.
According to your atheist beliefs, you're right ... all life is utterly pointless and meaningless and therefore worthless.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 597 of 1197 (906060)
02-06-2023 2:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 596 by Dredge
02-06-2023 2:41 PM
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Sludge writes: According to your atheist beliefs, you're right ... all life is utterly pointless and meaningless and therefore worthless. Really? I am not aware there is such a thing as atheist beliefs. I think that's something made up by your Pedo Cult.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 598 of 1197 (906061)
02-06-2023 2:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 592 by Dredge
02-06-2023 2:11 PM
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In other words, it's evident they do indeed "need 'purpose' from the universe." You missed the part where our purpose is self-generated. Not 'from' anything but our own emotions. Dishonest, Dredge. I speak of self purpose and you tack on 'from the universe'. Bad form.
Firstly, I didn't say anything about God. Oh, you're nothing but god. What a bullshit thing for you to say.
Only an eternity gives life meaning. For you, I can see why. You fear the reaper, the coming void. You cannot fathom your ceased existence. So, take meaning in your life here as a mere prelude to your glorious eternal next. That way you will feel as if you lived for something as the void dissipates the last of your being.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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The atheist's anthem ... " We're on a road to nowhere", song by Talking Heads, 1985. The road of meaninglessness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 600 of 1197 (906076)
02-06-2023 4:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 590 by Dredge
02-06-2023 1:33 PM
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Pray tell how do you define meaning if not how you feel?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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