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Taq
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Message 61 of 79 (905987)
02-06-2023 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
02-03-2023 11:01 PM


Riverrat writes:
Secondly and specifically, the Covid-19 vaccine does zero to stop the spread and may even encourage stronger strains to evolve.
Not so.
quote:
In adjusted analyses, we estimated that any vaccination, prior infection alone, and both vaccination and prior infection reduced an index case’s risk of transmitting infection by 22% (6-36%), 23% (3-39%) and 40% (20-55%), respectively.
Infectiousness of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections during the Omicron wave | medRxiv
I had a severe reaction to my 1st shot that I voluntarily took. The politics surrounding what happened to me goes beyond science and makes it crystal clear to me that science has become people's god, and that the corruption behind the vaccine is the largest lie ever perpetrated on the earth.
That's psychological projection. Just because you worship a deity does not mean others do.

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Message 62 of 79 (905990)
02-06-2023 10:56 AM
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02-03-2023 11:08 PM


Riverrat writes:
No, in another conversation with it I tried to figure out where it gets it's information from. It considers CNN and valuable resource and Fox to be biased. You would be proud.
CNN stated that there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.
Fox News stated that there was widespread fraud in the 2020 election, to the point that they are now being sued for defamation.
Who got it right? Which company knowingly spread lies in order to help their preferred candidate?

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riVeRraT
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Message 63 of 79 (906011)
02-06-2023 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by ringo
02-05-2023 2:56 PM


Re: typical
ringo writes:
I'm practically drowning in the love pouring off of you, too.
See, love IS subjective.
ringo writes:
I sense a farewell and a bow coming on.

And after I went to the trouble of learning how to spell your name again.
I will leave without the farewell, but not forever. I think about you guys often. As I expressed, many of you atheists helped define my faith. Thank you. So when you insult me, just know you had a hand in it.
I would stay if people could just debate the topic without all the insults and assumptions. Having to pick through layers of bullshit is too time consuming. One thing I always liked about you is that you are straight to the point.

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riVeRraT
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Message 64 of 79 (906014)
02-06-2023 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
02-05-2023 3:07 PM


ringo writes:
You move the goalposts.
Not in concept.
ringo writes:
Actually, no. The Canadian news networks don't broadcast much opinion.

But you go ahead with your conspiracy theories if that's what gives you comfort.
Can't say I have paid much attention to Canadian politics over the years. In general it is difficult to know anything that is going on in the rest of the world. Heck we don't even get accurate information broadcast here. I have been watching a guy on rumble called vivafrei. He does some Canadian politics being from Canada. It surprised me how much the problems there parallel the problems here. I've seen it happening in China and much of Europe. All at the same time, which is unusual. Usually there is a lag in trends.
Globalism in not a conspiracy theory. Maybe 30 years ago it was. I suggest you watch some of the G7 meetings where you can see the globalists telling you their next moves, and how they want globalism. Enjoy the food shortages, because that's the next step towards the "great reset" (G7 leaders words, not mine).

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riVeRraT
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Message 65 of 79 (906015)
02-06-2023 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by ringo
02-05-2023 3:10 PM


Re: typical
ringo writes:
You contradict yourself.
No he didn't. Just look at Venezuela. Socialism when practiced by evil people do not help the poor, they just make everyone poor and poorer.

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riVeRraT
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Message 66 of 79 (906017)
02-06-2023 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Taq
02-06-2023 10:51 AM


Hi Taq
Taq writes:
Not so
Pick and choose your studies. I am not going down this rabbit hole. I watched it happen in real time in the Nursing Home. The only positive thing I can say about the vaccine is that it stopped some old people from dying. Who knows what price they paid for it though? Maybe they are just going to die a months later anyway? It seems any study that goes against the vaccine, gets rejected. They tried to tell us for years it was causing heart problems, now they are finally admitting it. It's all fucking bullshit. The vaccine is garbage. The only solution should have been testing and quarantining until the virus evolved into a less harmful strain. A few lessons on how to wear masks might have helped also, as most people don't have a clue how to practice infection control.
Here, from the same source. I actually witnessed in real time what this study shows. It's like the flu vaccine (which is better imo) is only 10% effective because they can't keep up with the strains. This study shows why getting vaccinated actually makes it worse for you after 90 days.
Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study | medRxiv
Taq writes:
That's psychological projection. Just because you worship a deity does not mean others do.
No, it's a metaphor.

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Taq
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Message 67 of 79 (906021)
02-06-2023 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:27 PM


riverrat writes:
It seems any study that goes against the vaccine, gets rejected.
Examples?
They tried to tell us for years it was causing heart problems, now they are finally admitting it. It's all fucking bullshit. The vaccine is garbage.
It was reported within 4 months of the vaccine going live:
quote:
In April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). Data from multiple studies show a rare risk for myocarditis and/or pericarditis following receipt of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis after mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
Myocarditis caused by the vaccine is rare and mild while myocarditis caused by the infection can be quite severe. Again, it is all about the relative risk.
Not only that, but 90-95% of hospitilizations were amongst the unvaccinated. If the vaccine were garbage, why did we see these numbers?
Here, from the same source. I actually witnessed in real time what this study shows. It's like the flu vaccine (which is better imo) is only 10% effective because they can't keep up with the strains. This study shows why getting vaccinated actually makes it worse for you after 90 days.

Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study | medRxiv
Where are the numbers for prevention of hospitalization and death? Those are the important numbers. Yes, people who were vaccinated did still become infected, but the infections were milder and had much lower rates of hospitalization and death.
quote:
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses — 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose — with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.
Two Years COVID Vaccines Prevented Millions Hospitalizations Deaths | Commonwealth Fund
No, it's a metaphor.
It's projection.

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riVeRraT
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Message 68 of 79 (906023)
02-06-2023 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Taq
02-06-2023 10:56 AM


Taq writes:
CNN stated that there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

Fox News stated that there was widespread fraud in the 2020 election, to the point that they are now being sued for defamation.

Who got it right? Which company knowingly spread lies in order to help their preferred candidate?
We will never know the real answer to that question, will we?
There was documented fraud though, and there are still cases being tried. The Twitter file dump also showed fraud. The government was working with social media to suppress our first amendment rights. The truth of the Hunter Biden laptop story was lied to us. Our own government interfered in a free and fair election process, and broke the constitution. Pfizer did the same thing to us as well with the vaccine on Twitter. That should scare the shit out of people! Let's not start talking about 2000 mules either. I mean it's clear as day what is going on. Enjoy the upcoming food shortages that Biden said he would do. Yea, he said it.
Fox really didn't say that either, at least that night. Matter of fact I stopped watching Fox because they ignored it the night it was happening. CNN gets sued all the time and looses. They perpetrate some of the most harmful lies to us. Yet how chat gtp presented CNN compared to Fox, it was clear that it's programming is indeed biased, and it knows it too. I made it admit that CNN isn't always accurate after it said it was, just by asking it. Tell me that is not concerning? Aren't we supposed to be in pursuit of the truth? Shouldn't A.I. be accurate and truthful up front? What happens when this biased programming makes it into the police robots?

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Message 69 of 79 (906025)
02-06-2023 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:40 PM


There was documented fraud though, and there are still cases being tried.
Sources please.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 70 of 79 (906026)
02-06-2023 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:07 PM


Re: typical
riVeRraT writes:
See, love IS subjective.
No. Sarcasm is.
riVeRraT writes:
As I expressed, many of you atheists helped define my faith. Thank you.
Similarly, you and Phat, etc. continually confirm for us how empty your religion is.
riVeRraT writes:
Having to pick through layers of bullshit is too time consuming.
Well, the name of the site could have been Evolution vs Bullshit but Percy is a little bit more sqeamish about language than some of us.
riVeRraT writes:
One thing I always liked about you is that you are straight to the point.

I have a short attention span.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 71 of 79 (906028)
02-06-2023 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:40 PM


riverrat writes:
We will never know the real answer to that question, will we?
Yes, we will, and we do. There was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Even the most diehard Republican officials agree with this.
There was documented fraud though, and there are still cases being tried.
The rate of fraud was never enough to change the outcome. We are talking a handful of cases affecting a few ballots, the same that we see in every election.
The Twitter file dump also showed fraud. The government was working with social media to suppress our first amendment rights. The truth of the Hunter Biden laptop story was lied to us.
First Amendment rights don't force private companies to post nude pictures of a private citizen's son. You really need to learn what the word "truth" means.
Fox really didn't say that either, at least that night. Matter of fact I stopped watching Fox because they ignored it the night it was happening.
There was no widespread vote fraud. The fact you think there was demonstrates how divorced from the truth you are.

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Message 72 of 79 (906029)
02-06-2023 12:51 PM
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02-06-2023 12:40 PM


The Twitter file dump also showed fraud.
Source? What was the fraud?
The government was working with social media to suppress our first amendment rights.
Source? How?
The truth of the Hunter Biden laptop story was lied to us.
Source? What was the lie?
Our own government interfered in a free and fair election process, and broke the constitution.
Source? How?
Pfizer did the same thing to us as well with the vaccine on Twitter.
Source? How?
Let's not start talking about 2000 mules either.
No. Let's start talking about it. What do you think 2000 mules showed?
Fox really didn't say that either, at least that night
Fox pushed fraud claims for months.
CNN gets sued all the time and looses. They perpetrate some of the most harmful lies to us.
Examples? What lies?
A lot of claims and assertions there. Can you back any with actual facts and data?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 73 of 79 (906031)
02-06-2023 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:14 PM


riVeRraT writes:
I suggest you watch some of the G7 meetings where you can see the globalists telling you their next moves, and how they want globalism.
Justin Trudeau IS one of the G7 leaders. I wouldn't say he "wants" globalism, certainly not the way you right- wing nuts fear it. He recognizes the globalism that does exist.
Remember how Trump whined that Canada had slickered the US with NAFTA? We'll continue to do that. You're not part of our globe. You're our bitch.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 74 of 79 (906034)
02-06-2023 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:17 PM


Re: typical
riVeRraT writes:
ringo writes:
You contradict yourself.
​No he didn't. Just look at Venezuela.
You have ONE example.
riVeRraT writes:
Socialism when practiced by evil people do not help the poor, they just make everyone poor and poorer.
And when NOT practiced by "evil people"? Look at Scandanavia, most of Europe, for that matter. Look at Canada. Even the US is more socialist than you dare to admit.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 75 of 79 (906042)
02-06-2023 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 12:07 PM


Re: typical
I would stay if people could just debate the topic without all the insults and assumptions. Having to pick through layers of bullshit is too time consuming.
You bring the most insultive, mind-numbingly idiotic bullshit assumptions into this forum Message 68 then complain about insults and assumptions.
Ok.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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