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ringo
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Message 289 of 444 (846644)
01-09-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Faith
01-09-2019 5:10 PM


Faith writes:
And you're confused about that too.
The ten guys who think they're Napoleon all think that evertbody else is confused.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 291 of 444 (846647)
01-09-2019 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Faith
01-09-2019 5:15 PM


Faith writes:
Oh such WIT! I'm flabbergasted.
As I've said to you before, if you put less effort into being flabbergasted at everything you hear and put some effort into thinking, you might come up with something worthwhile.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 321 of 444 (846757)
01-11-2019 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
01-11-2019 12:03 AM


Re: Troll
Faith writes:
Oh it's not for lacking Leftist input that I embrace the Right, that's for sure. There's no avoiding the Left....
That doesn't ring true. If you watch leftist media, why don't you hear anything about right-wing violence?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 354 of 444 (846911)
01-13-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Faith
01-12-2019 10:33 PM


Faith writes:
... it shows a total inability to understand what I've been saying....
You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about how communication works. If nobody understands what you're saying, the fault lies not in your stars but in yourself.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 366 of 444 (847289)
01-20-2019 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by Phat
01-20-2019 9:48 AM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Phat writes:
Of course one could argue that if we keep our birthrate low and encourage incentive and opportunity to improve...
It's because our birthrate is low that we need immigration.
Phat writes:
...the rest of the nations will simply feel as if they have a right to share in that pie that WE baked.
"We" didn't bake the pie. Our grandparents did - and they were immigrants.
Phat writes:
The poor you will always have with you. Its part of the Original Struggle.
As I've told you before, you're misinterpreting that scripture. There will always be poor people because somebody is always losing his job at Safeway - but he eventually finds another job and somebody else becomes poor.
And of course, there never was any "Original Stuggle" except in the minds of people who espouse a puny god.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 394 of 444 (905862)
02-04-2023 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 12:35 PM


riVeRraT writes:
It's a very simple premise, please show me how I am wrong....
It's an error of degree. We have thousands of instances when it DID happen and no instances when it didn't happen. That's pretty significant statistically.
On the other hand, we have NO evidence that any god ever made a difference.
Lots of evidence versus NO evidence. Statistically highly probable versus ZERO probability.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 419 of 444 (905928)
02-05-2023 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 10:12 PM


riVeRraT writes:
See, you don't understand science.
We'll just take your word for that, shall we?
riVeRraT writes:
Zero probability would prove God doesn't exist.
No.
Zero probability just means there is no evidence. If evidence is ever found, the probability would go up.
riVeRraT writes:
Nothing in science is ever proven.
You contradict yourself. You just said that zero probability would prove.
riVeRrat writes:
There is plenty of evidence God exist, it's just subjective.
No such thing as "subjective evidence". It's right there in the word: evident. If it isn't evident to everybody, it isn't evidence.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 420 of 444 (905929)
02-05-2023 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 10:53 PM


riVeRraT writes:
Definition of "near certain confidence" = high level of trust = high level of faith = faith.
If you're going to use definitions, at least get them right. Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith.
riVeRraT writes:
Jesus said if you have enough faith, you can move a mountain.
Dynamite can actually move mountains.
riVeRraT writes:
I have evidence, it's just subjective.
No such thing as subjective evidence.
riVeRraT writes:
Just like my love for my children is subjective.
No. Your love for your children would be easily demonstrable. If they're well-fed and clothed, if they're sheltered and educated, that's evidence that you love them. If they cringe when you come near them, that would be evidence that you don't.
By your fruits we shall know you. Fruit is evidence.
riVeRrat writes:
I've already proven in this forum that I have a firm grasp of science and how it works.
Well, in this thread alone you've demonstrated that you don't know the difference between subjective and objective - or the difference between confidence and faith.
riVeRraT writes:
This is only some of what I know and do.
Most of us here have been around the block a couple of times. All of us could write a long list of all the things we can do. I make a mean broccolli soup myself.
Some of us are capable of saying something stupid once in a while too.
riVeRraT writes:
You have no position to try and make assumptions about me, you don't know anything about me and are a wrong for even trying.
We know what you tell us.
riVeRraT writes:
You can't even stay on topic, because you have an evil heart.
The "o" in my name stands for "off-topic". It's one of my favorite places, that and thin ice.
And when I'm off topic, I'm often chasing Phat's evil heart.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 421 of 444 (905931)
02-05-2023 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by Phat
02-05-2023 9:43 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Phat writes:
Do you want to know what your counterpart fables are to our "Bronze Age Myths? Try Star Wars. Try Star Trek.
You're not that stupid. You know nobody believes Star Wars or Star Trek. In fact, we put them on the same level with Jesus and Noah.
Phat writes:
You all naively hope and expect that humans will ditch old time mythos and adopt brand new godless and hopeful mythos.
Wrong again. Nobody wants to replace Jesus with Luke Skywalker. Do you think at all?
We want to rid mankind of belief in ALL myths.
Phat writes:
My argument is that for all realistic purposes, the new "mythos" is no better than the old "mythos".
You have no argument. There is no "new mythos". See above.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 422 of 444 (905932)
02-05-2023 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
02-05-2023 12:14 PM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Phat writes:
Satan sure fooled you!
You should read the Bible. Almost everything you believe about "Satan" comes from Milton.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 433 of 444 (906003)
02-06-2023 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:10 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
riVeRraT writes:
The rest who are probably in charge of say, health rules for the entire world, are mostly motivated by money.
That must be why Elon Musk took the job making the health rules for the entire world.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 434 of 444 (906004)
02-06-2023 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 428 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
riVeRraT writes:
... you are the reason wars happen...
I remember when I started the Punic Wars. I wanted Hannibal to bring the elephants closer so I could see them better.
Good times....
I should have called AZPaul3. He likes elephants too. But the telephone hadn't been invented yet.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 437 of 444 (906007)
02-06-2023 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:34 AM


riVeRraT writes:
My initial thought is if P(E)=0 both P and E would have to be zero.
That doesn't make any sense to me. P is a function, isn't it? The value of P depends on E. P may be 0 for some value(s) of E, whether E is zero or not.
Compare f(x) = mx + b. When x = 0, f(x) is only 0 if b is also 0.
It's forty-some years since i took a math class, so....
riVeRraT writes:
What does this have to do with learning how not to be offended?
What does anything you have said have to do with learning not to be offended? It looks to me like you rose from the dead and started this thread just to be offended.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 440 of 444 (906016)
02-06-2023 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:45 AM


riVeRraT writes:
ringo writes:
Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith.
​They are synonyms
They CAN be synonyms. And synonyms CAN mean exactly the same OR they can mean subtly different.
I look at synonyms as a warning sign. If there is a synonym for a word, be careful which one you use.
riVeRraT writes:
I have faith in God, and on our money it says "In God We Trust", same thing.
Not really. I believe you exist and I would trust you to fix my HVAC but I have no confidence in your thoughts outside your profession. Three different meanings.
riVeRraT writes:
It's nit picking and goes beyond my point.
But not MY point.
riVeRraT writes:
ringo writes:
Dynamite can actually move mountains.
​Not by talking to it.
Neither can God. Go ahead, prove me wrong with prayer.
riVeRraT writes:
Do you have some kind of absolute definition for love?
Yes. Love is what you DO.
Staying up all night with a sick child is love.
Beating a child is not love.
Saying, "I love you," is not love.
Jesus defined it pretty clearly in Matthew 25.
riVeRraT writes:
Isn't this concept at the core of this topic, and why you can never "not offend anyone"?
I don't see why anybody would be offended by being loved. Or by NOT being loved, for that matter.
riVeRraT writes:
Love for your children is 100% subjective.
See above.
riVeRraT writes:
The problem is the demonization of me...
I don't believe in demons.
riVeRraT writes:
... to make anything I say wrong...
I hesitate to mention the Talmud, Midrash, etc. since jar is back and he knows a lot more about it than I do... but Jewish thought emphasizes two (or more) sides to every issue.
The Bible does too, to a lesser extent:
quote:
Proverbs 26:4-5 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
So yes, I do point out the other side.
riVeRraT writes:
... and to give free rein to say anything you want to me.
Percy handles my reins. But believe it or not, I do censor myself once in a while.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 444 of 444 (906121)
02-07-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 442 by Phat
02-07-2023 10:23 AM


Re: Science: Our Superior
Phat writes:
My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't.
That makes no sense. Except for the needs of biologicals, oxygen and nitrogen are roughly equivalent (in an Ideal Gas Law kind of way).
Science has no equivalent

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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