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nwr
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Message 1411 of 1429 (905883)
02-04-2023 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1410 by Dredge
02-04-2023 2:56 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Who is Ken Ham?
He's a creationist from Queensland.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 1412 of 1429 (905891)
02-04-2023 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1407 by Taq
01-23-2023 1:23 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Toll-like receptors were first discovered in fruit flies, and through common descent they were discovered in other species, including humans. Our knowledge of toll-like receptors are vital for understanding immunology, including our knowledge of how vaccines work.
Show me a single thing in the paragraph above that is not true
Too easy ... you can't demonstrate it's "true" (ie, a fact) that it was "through common descent" that
toll-like receptors were discovered in other species, including humans.
As I've already pointed out, you can't cite even one scientist involved in toll-receptor research who says anything about the role UCD played. In the article you provided, no such scientist even mentions evolution, let alone UCD.
... but you're just being a good and faithful Darwnoid, so lies and bullshit are to be expected.

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Message 1413 of 1429 (905892)
02-04-2023 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1411 by nwr
02-04-2023 6:07 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
nwr writes:
He's a creationist from Queensland.
Interesting. I grew up in Queensland and lived there for 50 years ... the only Ham I heard of was the kind one finds at the supermarket. Perhaps Ken Ham is a creationist pig farmer ...

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Message 1414 of 1429 (905893)
02-05-2023 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by nwr
02-04-2023 6:07 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Ken Ham must have evolved from a pig, so why the hell do you claim he evolved from an ape? Wake up, it ain't bloody rocket science!
Are you saying the ham you buy at your local supermarket comes from an ape? A butcher told me once that ham comes from pigs. You can't both be right!

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Message 1415 of 1429 (905894)
02-05-2023 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1414 by Dredge
02-05-2023 12:35 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
This is Ken Hams apologetic showcase..
And don't bullshit us that you have never heard of him. Any good Catholic would support the official position of their church that evolution did in fact happen. You have waundered from the true faith and embraced Protestant YEC, I fear.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
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Message 1416 of 1429 (905896)
02-05-2023 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1412 by Dredge
02-04-2023 11:40 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
Taq writes:
Toll-like receptors were first discovered in fruit flies, and through common descent they were discovered in other species, including humans. Our knowledge of toll-like receptors are vital for understanding immunology, including our knowledge of how vaccines work.
Show me a single thing in the paragraph above that is not true
Too easy ... you can't demonstrate it's "true" (ie, a fact) that it was "through common descent" that
toll-like receptors were discovered in other species, including humans.
As I've already pointed out, you can't cite even one scientist involved in toll-receptor research who says anything about the role UCD played. In the article you provided, no such scientist even mentions evolution, let alone UCD.
"Hey, I know of a theory that all life uses WATER! And all water is determined to consist of Hydrogen and Oxygen!
But I can't cite a single peer-reviewed paper that says so. "
- Captain Obvious, getting stuck in a dredging folly

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Phat
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Message 1417 of 1429 (905900)
02-05-2023 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1413 by Dredge
02-04-2023 11:46 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Dredge writes:
Interesting. I grew up in Queensland and lived there for 50 years ... the only Ham I heard of was the kind one finds at the supermarket. Perhaps Ken Ham is a creationist pig farmer ...
Perhaps you've heard of Henry Morris then?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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nwr
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Message 1418 of 1429 (905904)
02-05-2023 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1413 by Dredge
02-04-2023 11:46 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
I grew up in Queensland and lived there for 50 years ... the only Ham I heard of was the kind one finds at the supermarket.
Here you go:
Ken Ham
He discovered that he could make more money in America than in Australia.
Ken Ham says it is all about the Bible. But I'm suspecting that it is really all about the money.

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ringo
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Message 1419 of 1429 (905962)
02-05-2023 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1414 by Dredge
02-05-2023 12:35 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Dredge writes:
Ken Ham must have evolved from a pig, so why the hell do you claim he evolved from an ape?
I see you're another one of those creationist dupes who doesn't understand the difference between an ancestor and a cousin. Maybe you don't understand family relationships because you're an only child?
Everybody has grandparents but not everybody has uncles and aunts or cousins.
On my mother's side alone, I had seven aunts and four uncles by blood, plus seven uncles and four aunts by marriage. And they produced forty-seven cousins.
My cousins are not my grandparents. There is a direct line of descent from my grandparents to my parents to me - and there are other SEPARATE direct lines of descent from my grandparents to my aunts and uncles to my cousins. But there is NO line of descent between my cousins and me.
This understanding comes easily when there are so many of us. It may be difficult for you if you have no cousins.
So no, we are not evolved from apes. We are their cousins, not their grandchildren. We are evolved from common ancestors.
And no, we are not evolved from pigs. We are their cousins, not their grandchildren. We are evolved from common ancestors.
Your hero, the idiot Kleinman, is afraid to discuss this because it will only make him look stupider.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 1420 of 1429 (905974)
02-06-2023 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1419 by ringo
02-05-2023 4:18 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
ringoat writes:
On my mother's side alone, I had seven aunts and four uncles by blood, plus seven uncles and four aunts by marriage. And they produced forty-seven cousins.
... and none of those relatives want to know you. Why is that?

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Dredge
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Message 1421 of 1429 (905975)
02-06-2023 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1419 by ringo
02-05-2023 4:18 PM


Re: On A Similar Note...
ringoat writes:
We are evolved from common ancestors.
Right ... just like Cupid and the Tooth Fairy evolved from common ancestors. Got it.

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Message 1422 of 1429 (905977)
02-06-2023 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1421 by Dredge
02-06-2023 10:01 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
No, Dredge, you don't got it. Not like that at all.
Cupid and Tooth Fairy are fictitious characters just like your god and your devil. They're not real. They can't evolve. Actually, they seem to fit your asinine fiat creation model. Wholesale stupid boogered into existence by snorting your nose at it. Yeah, that makes sense.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1423 of 1429 (905981)
02-06-2023 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1412 by Dredge
02-04-2023 11:40 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Too easy ... you can't demonstrate it's "true" (ie, a fact) that it was "through common descent" that
toll-like receptors were discovered in other species, including humans.
I already demonstrated just that in multiple posts.
As I've already pointed out, you can't cite even one scientist involved in toll-receptor research who says anything about the role UCD played.
I already cited those papers that did exactly that.

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Message 1424 of 1429 (905983)
02-06-2023 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1414 by Dredge
02-05-2023 12:35 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Dredge writes:
Ken Ham must have evolved from a pig, so why the hell do you claim he evolved from an ape?
Ken Ham is an ape, just like all humans. Ken Ham is also a primate, a mammal, a vertebrate, and a eukaryote. This was true since before Darwin first proposed his theory. Linnaeus discovered these facts 100 years before Darwin.
It's funny how those who reject evolution don't know the basics of biology.

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ringo
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Message 1425 of 1429 (905986)
02-06-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1409 by Dredge
02-04-2023 2:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
In other words, you can cite the grand total of ZERO scientific papers that support your claim ...
Never mind trying to put "other words" in my mouth. Read the words I actually say.
I have made no claim. I have stated scientific fact. I have also told you that EVERY scientific fact does not necessarily correspond with a specific paper. We don't need papers that say the earth is round or water is wet because those facts are pretty well-known.
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
The onus is on you to cite any scientific paper in which any creationist or any science-denier has ever produced any useful idea about biology.
No, Einstein, that's not how it works ... you made the claim, so the onus is on you to back it up with some scientific evidence.
That's EXACTLY how it works. YOU have made the claim that disagrees with all scientific knowledge. YOU are the one that has to back that up. I am in no way obligated to back up the fact that the earth is round or that water is wet.
Dredge writes:
But you won't, bcoz you can't, which makes you a typical Darwinoid - ie, a bs-artist, a con-man and a charlatan.
And you're a 9-IQ creationist, so nobody cares what you think.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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