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Message 1 of 153 (905686)
02-02-2023 10:39 AM


(I found a table over here in the back of the Coffee House where the old men hang out.)
I invite everyone here to first off welcome jar back to the forum and have a round of coffee
(with Irish Whiskey?) to celebrate his return. I didnt really miss jar in the framework of debates (as he never let mine get off the ground) but I missed him as a member of the forum and am glad to see that he is healthy and hopefully well-rested.
ringo and I go round and round and I have yet to win one of those arguments either.
*Looks around table*
I will say that ALL of you are unique in your debating styles and we all occasionally go off the rails and engage in personal attacks. I propose that in this topic, we stick to the arguments and be respectful of each other as much as possible. Forum Guidelines
Recently, I noticed how more than a few topics here at the forum were skidding off the rails and becoming as free for all as a brawl at an NHL Hockey game!
The impetus for starting this session was to get everyone at the same table (believers and non believers, Conservatives and Liberals alike) and hash it out without derailingother topics.
Phat, addressing Percy writes:
Do you believe in open borders? WWJD?
Percy writes:
WWJD? You have to ask? Render unto Caesar. Borders would mean nothing to Jesus. We are all God's children. Border's are Godless and artificial constructions of men.
* * *
Theo writes:
CS Lewis was a bit of a hack. Not sure why people think that his children's stories and apologetics are so great.
CS Lewis's literary legacy: 'dodgy and unpleasant' or 'exceptionally good'? | CS Lewis | The Guardian
CS Lewis was imperfect, but in a wold of free speech, he at least presented thoughtful arguments.
Tangle writes:
But of course now I know it to be nonsense, just like you do. Only Catholics believe it to be the actual body of Christ. Crazy people.
Dredge writes:
John 6:51--"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”  So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;  he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day
."
John 6:51-54
"Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”  And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;  for this is my blood of the[e] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Matt 26:26-28
So-called Christians who don't believe in the Real Presence aren't true Christians. Their watered-down version of Christianity is unbiblical, amateurish, erroneous and fake.
Personally, I take issue with your idea that Catholics are the only true church. I DO consider them Christians, however.
jar writes:
Message 68Jesus is not a male nor is the Holy Spirit.
Dont go telling us that Jesus was non-binary! You have at least admitted that while on earth He was fully human, IIRC.
jar writes:
How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe?

I agree that what we believe influences what we do, and I believe that is one of the worst things about Christianity as marketed in the US. The "Saved" and "Forgiven" and "Christ died to pay for my sins" marketing spiels are vile and evil.
Were you in the marketing business, what type of "God" would *you* market, jar?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 2 of 153 (905691)
02-02-2023 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-02-2023 10:39 AM


Welcome Back Jar
jar, I know that you are not back to go off on the numerous PRATTS that the forum has accumulated in your absense, but I just want you to know that I made this topic for anyone who feels a need to correct the erroneous logic of one of their fellow members and you can hijack this thread all you want!
Taq writes:
We atheists will point out that our universe is indistinguishable from one where there is no God.
Dredge writes:
What makes you qualified to know what a godless universe looks like?
Please explain how a godless universe differs from a universe that includes God.
If there was an all powerful God who claimed to love us then this is not the universe we would expect to see. That's the point.
The point is, you atheists ignore what the Bible says about Original Sin destroying the world that the first humans (Adam and Eve) experienced.
You atheists also ignore the promise God makes in the Bible to provide a Paradise that his children will enjoy forever.
Atheists like you simply don't want God to exist, so why bother inventing fake excuses to reject belief in him?
I might ask Dredge if he considers believers as superior to non believers in any way and also pose the question to atheists. Do you (atheists) feel that you are smarter and more in touch with reality then are believers?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 4 of 153 (905694)
02-02-2023 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by nwr
02-02-2023 11:06 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Me and Trump??!! Why am I in that company?? Lest I react too much, allow me to read your article...
The Two Christianities and Their Problems:
All the religions are totalitarian and all religions are authoritarian, although this latter quality is enhanced in theistic religions, since of course their founding premise is that there is a super being that literally authored the universe in the first instance and authored the religion in the next, presumably to correct something that went wrong in the initial offering; and of course the super being (because he is super) can’t possibly be held accountable for anything that goes wrong in his creation. So, when something does go wrong it must be the fault of the humans who are assigned caretakers of at least their part in creation. However in order to hold the humans accountable this super being cannot simply snuff them out and start anew – that would essentially admit that the creation of the humans was itself a mistake on the part of the super being, and a super being cannot make mistakes. So the humans have to be given a good lashing and made to feel guilty; but to remind them of the super being’s power, his majesty, how good he is in having created them and not snuffing them out, the unquestionable author also generates the fundamental principles of his creation’s religion. These fundamental principles structure the totalitarian control over their lives.
Im still reading this article! Great conversation starter. What worries me about Jesus Blue believers is that they even go so far as to throw Jesus away and hijack the message for the people...without need of a leader. A Headless Beast, as it were!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 9 of 153 (905724)
02-02-2023 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Theodoric
02-02-2023 12:50 PM


Called Out and Clueless
Its so numerous I would never find it all without some effort

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 10 of 153 (905733)
02-02-2023 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
02-02-2023 12:04 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
First of all, we have to come to a consensus about what Trump represents.
I've never voted for the guy. I DO know that he clams to want to control open borders, he wanted to help the small businessman rather than taxing the crap out of them which disincentivizes them from even wanting to run small businesses. He built a stronger military which keeps anyone from wanting to confront the United States. Oh, and he gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy, which was an unpopular move, though trickle down economics is akin to priming the pump. As I have said before, one needs a return on investment.
The whole rising tides argument kills incentive and small business.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 19 of 153 (905837)
02-04-2023 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by ringo
02-03-2023 10:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 20 of 153 (905838)
02-04-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
02-03-2023 7:21 AM


Re: maybe repeating often enough MIGHT get through ...
I suppose all of that explains why you are unafraid to "throw Him away". ringo has followed in your footsteps. He tossed out the "messenger" and (says) he kept the message.
I worry, though. Humans rejected Jesus and are continually developing a clever counterfeit. Thats just my belief and opinion, though.
{watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both!}
What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times. I DO have a fear of the reality that He knows, however.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 21 of 153 (905840)
02-04-2023 11:45 AM
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02-03-2023 10:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
ringo writes:
There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.
So? There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably. Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list. A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 23 of 153 (905843)
02-04-2023 11:50 AM
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02-04-2023 11:46 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Im well aware that the US is far from the "best" or "greatest" nation. Ive seen evidence of this in several statistical tables I have looked at. I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
You all will argue that I dont know what socialism actually is or what it means. I await this response.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 28 of 153 (905859)
02-04-2023 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
02-04-2023 12:33 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Does a thought ever cross your mind?
Occasionally. And you intercept some of them before I even recognize them.
I'd just like to bring attention to the fact that ringo...unique among all of us...actually answers nearly every one of his opponents posts.
I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 33 of 153 (905873)
02-04-2023 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Tangle
02-04-2023 2:11 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
We are just mad because we are resisting the inevitable contraction of being a onetime global empire. You guys experienced the same contraction after WW II. You never had a Trump but you did have a Margaret Thatcher. In addition, you accepted the United States as your heir. We will NEVER accept a Communist China as our successor. This could be why the world is a mess.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 35 of 153 (905911)
02-05-2023 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tangle
02-04-2023 2:49 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
OK.
Tangle writes:
I believe I live in a pleural society that works with a balance of socialist and capitalist principles. As does the US, it's just that one side does not wish to think it.
So to be clear is your issue with Trump specifically or with "the side that does not wish to think it"?
In defense of the side I am on, I will never accept any sort of government that prefers equality over freedom. Human nature will scuttle that boat every time.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 41 of 153 (905955)
02-05-2023 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by ringo
02-05-2023 3:29 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Turn that statement around on yourself. Would you accept what you got? No matter what? You seem to frame your arguments as we vs me. I am we. You are we. We are we.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 45 of 153 (906059)
02-06-2023 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Theodoric
02-06-2023 12:41 PM


Dissolve The Bill And Move On
Phat writes:
I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
Taq writes:
Then explain how we would be better off without:
1. Medicare
2. Social Security
3. Public Schools
4. Public highways
5. Publicly funded police and fire departments
We wouldnt be better off without them.
Theodoric writes:
Just like every conservative he just wants the socialism that benefits him.
Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. Socialism that altruistically and blissfully ignorantly "raises all boats" is or will become a globalist socialist agenda. Yes, there is that term again...which all of you deny is happening.
I even asked ringo point blank in an earlier thread the following questions:
quote:
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing.
It is if it runs over the US middle class.
ringo writes:
What's so special about the US middle class that it deserves a pass from reality?
To repeat, globalism IS. Whatever the consequences to the US middle class, globalism IS.
Phat writes:
We are not simply going to suffer in order to be the heroes that save the planet.
ringo writes:
Yes. We are. Even IF we manage to alleviate the situation somewhat, we are going to suffer.
Phat writes:
The entire world must share the bill.
ringo writes:
Don't be stupid. YOU have no power to make the rest of the world do anything. You can only do what YOU can do.
If the wonderful US middle class foots the WHOLE bill and single-handedly stops global warming, it will be for YOUR benefit. So what if the rest of the world rides on your coat-tails and shares the benefits?
And if NOBODY but the wonderful US middle class lifts a finger and human civilization is destroyed, it will be YOU who suffers. So what if you have the rest of the world to blame? What do you gain by assigning blame?

I suppose it does no good to assign blame. Which is why I reject the whole reparations arguments as ultimately harmful more than helpful.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 47 of 153 (906069)
02-06-2023 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Taq
02-06-2023 3:36 PM


Re: Dissolve The Bill And Move On
I told you before i'm in favor of limited socialist programs. Im not in favor of raising the tide on all boats. Its a pipe dream, and the middle class wont accept it.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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