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Message 5 of 444 (845383)
12-15-2018 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Larni
12-15-2018 9:46 AM


Giving Up My Pet Topics Wont Happen Easily
Larni writes:
Then I learnt that often people have no interest in my pet topics...
Scary! I want to be understood.
Tangle does keep telling me that atheists don't even think about the things I obsess about. Kinda the same as I don't obsess about Loki. I don't even give Loki a second thought.
I suppose it's polite to pretend that I care much about studying Geology, or Butterflies or Biological Evolution. I have learned a few things by making myself read the other topics here at EvC apart from religion and politics. So maybe there is hope.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 40 of 444 (845549)
12-17-2018 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Tangle
12-17-2018 3:56 AM


Countering Offense with Defense
Just a note to you,Tangle--I personally have never offended you and I will say that you rarely offend me, though occasionally your argument that its all made up is a bit strong. I notice, however, that you seem barely able to conceal astonishment and outrage over the posts of ICANT. Why does he annoy you so much? Should you not expect a conservative Baptist Pastor from a small town raised his whole life around religion to be somewhat different from the crowd we have here at EVC?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 73 of 444 (845635)
12-18-2018 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by herebedragons
12-18-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
I agree with you guys. I believe in God, and I believe that there is some way that He edifies my inner spirit and conscience with His Spirit, though of course cannot prove it. I won't go as far as jar did and predict that most of the Christians will be goats, though I do believe that the atheists, secular humanists, and non-religious Bible students on this forum have something to say. It is sheer arrogance to think that believers alone have the only possible consensus on what God will and will not do. Ringo claims that doing the message is tantamount to knowing the messenger. I will keep EvC Forum in my prayers, as I believe that God is using non-believers to impact a changing world.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 143 of 444 (845811)
12-21-2018 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:50 AM


God Tests Us
RR to Caffeine writes:
But today we have people being hung in the public square because of one subjective offense statement. We are on the path to make it a crime to be offensive.
Actually, I do agree with this. What I don't agree with is this whole demonizing of the political Left. The fact remains that human nature---in all its fallen glory--is not unique to any political ideology or party. And if the values of conservative Christianity were held to the light, what we would see is a belief that Jesus wanted us to be free and prosperous and that the Left was threatening to tear this down. Well, I have news for all of us. Jesus may well be allowing it to be torn down. Let's see how Christian we are when we have nothing! The political Right is holding on to an ideology and mistaking it for being God-given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 146 of 444 (845814)
12-21-2018 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:57 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Terrorism is built into Humanity. Islam has it built in their book, Christianity does not.
, True, but it is built into human nature and Christians are human too. What most American conservative Christians fail to realize is that true Christians are called to suffer rather than protecting what they have. To be fair, the political left fails to realize is that there is an authority in life higher than anything they can vote in. Both sides will eventually answer to reality. Every knee will bow.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 148 of 444 (845816)
12-21-2018 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Stile
12-21-2018 8:56 AM


Re: No one?
I think I can see his point. His point is that the political correctness crowd is making it a crime, to be blunt and bigoted. He may claim that free speech should be preserved even if it offends someone. The other side is attempting to legislate morality and create a leader that fills these expectations. Or something like that.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 272 of 444 (846620)
01-09-2019 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:30 PM


hope you get your computer fixed soon.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 364 of 444 (847271)
01-20-2019 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by Faith
01-20-2019 9:15 AM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Faith writes:
If we go Third World, which may very well happen, it will be because of the destructive Leftist ideology that encourages a dependent entitlement mentality and deprives people of incentive and/or opportunity to change their lot and contribute to society.
Of course one could argue that if we keep our birthrate low and encourage incentive and opportunity to improve, the rest of the nations will simply feel as if they have a right to share in that pie that WE baked. That's one thing that causes wars, among others. The poor you will always have with you. Its part of the Original Struggle. Only in utopia can everyone get fed and become happy. The free enterprise system would never work globally. There always has to be the poor. And that is why we will never make it without Gods help.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 365 of 444 (847272)
01-20-2019 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Pressie
01-18-2019 5:57 AM


Globalism vs Nationalism
It really is easy. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.
Try telling that to the world. They would resent mandatory birth control. They would resent a lot of things. Think of the seeds of global conflict, for that is one way to prevent it---to see it coming and to act on it. Trump's wall is symbolic and at best a temporary bandaid for a much bigger problem.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 368 of 444 (847297)
01-20-2019 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by Percy
01-20-2019 3:01 PM


Im Gonna Need My Social Security
both ringo and Percy writes:
Not to change the topic, but given Trump's wall-based shutdown I just wanted to interject that this is why we need to increase immigration.
And don't forget Faith...both you and I need our social security. We need workers to pay into that system.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 390 of 444 (905815)
02-04-2023 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 385 by Tangle
02-03-2023 10:58 AM


A Bot By Any Other Name
Yep.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 391 of 444 (905816)
02-04-2023 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by riVeRraT
02-03-2023 10:36 AM


Imagine A Bot With Feelings
In this crazy world, we all have to respect other people's "feelings" even to the point of acknowledging feelings as fact. I could care less what you self-identify as. Archaeologists will confirm that someday regardless of how one "feels".

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 403 of 444 (905898)
02-05-2023 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by AZPaul3
02-05-2023 8:50 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
AZ Shaman of Science writes:
Faith is the emotional hope something will happen by wishful thinking regardless of reality. Confidence is the intellectual knowledge of workings and the reasonable expectation of coming events. Your errant religious view is not but self-serving bull.
Do you want to know what your counterpart fables are to our "Bronze Age Myths? Try Star Wars. Try Star Trek. Many Nerds worship that stuff! Though the technological part is plausible if not likely, the human element is the wishful part. You all naively hope and expect that humans will ditch old time mythos and adopt brand new godless and hopeful mythos. Only you dont see it as mythos...you see it as sanity.
I didn't just decide to make up what I believe, though it could be argued that I adjust and interpret the original dogma as I go.
Critics say that our mythos is cruel and unloving. Harmful in fact. You for one hate it with an antitheistic passion! And yet when I have talked with you you are such a nice reasonable guy! ( I even expect jar to chime in and try and dismantle my argument...he is good at that you know)
My argument is that for all realistic purposes, the new "mythos" is no better than the old "mythos".
Meet the new Boss. Same as the old Boss. ~~The WHO, We Won't Get Fooled Again.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 404 of 444 (905899)
02-05-2023 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by xongsmith
02-05-2023 6:19 AM


Re: Rat finks in the belfry
xongsmith writes:
Science right now is analyzing the JWST observations to determine the new confidence in the so-called Big Bang Theory and has run into some speed bumps, mostly due to a lack of good data from the previous observations made by earlier equipment.
I really like astronomy! Its hard to argue with the data. As I said to AZ, the technological hopes for the future are inevitable, barring financial concerns and shortage of essential materials.
I respect and appreciate your optimism. My problem is that I'm not as optimistic about human nature as you guys are. Perhaps it is unfounded fear, but deep down I sense a major crises before we get a major breakthrough.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 406 of 444 (905903)
02-05-2023 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 405 by xongsmith
02-05-2023 10:03 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Are True Nerds the same counterpart to True Christians? FYI I used to watch all of the Star Treks! Im less familiar with Star Wars, though their weird spiritual interpretations of the Force or forces guiding the universe are predictable. And to be honest, without Star Trek, it is doubtful todays nerds would have had the inspiration to make JWST, Hubble, The Mars Global Surveyor, and a plethora of technological benefits that science has given us. My argument centers on human nature.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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