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AZPaul3
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Message 46 of 79 (905858)
02-04-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by ringo
02-04-2023 11:59 AM


Re: Evidence Schmevidence
You're not really accepting science. You're just cherry-picking the parts you want to accept. That isn't how science works.
But cherry-picking is ok for christianity and the bible, right? It is allowed there, isn't it?
Unlike we, with our science (quantum field theory), christians and bible thumpers don't HAVE to accept ALL the head-scratching bullshit, do they?
And they're allowed to make up spur-of-the-moment parts when they want, right? We can't do that in science. We have to have evidentiary reason for picking new cherries.
That's kinda the way it is with science. If it 'is', then it is and there is no picking around the cherry. You pretty much have to take the science for the reality it reveals or stay stupid. That's pretty much it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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riVeRraT
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Message 47 of 79 (905866)
02-04-2023 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
02-04-2023 10:59 AM


Re: typical
Some years ago you had an interaction with a member named rrhain. He suggested an experiment: put an inch or so of water in a bathtub, then put a brick in it (dry land). Then scoop up some of the water and pour it over the brick. That was an analogy of the Flood, illustrating how it is impossible to cover all of the existing land with the existing water. You professed, post after post, to not understand the obvious. You were either a huge idiot or you were lying about how huge an idiot you were
Either you have a good memory, or you spent all night looking for an example. I could just say without explanation at all that your example is absolutely not proof of me lying. I have always fully understood the concept of water displacement and the volume of water on earth. I believe I explained my concept further to say (in other words) if you put a pump in the bathtub to represent the mechanics of rain, pumped enough water over the brick, the brick would be "flooded".
If I remember correctly someone then tried to show off their insane mathematical skills and did the calculations of how much friction would happen if that much rain fell from the sky and said everyone would be boiled. I replied by saying, congradulations, you just explained hail (being sarcastic of course).
One of my master trades is plumbing, and I deal on a daily basis with that kind of nonsense from engineers with no common sense. Of course it takes coordination between mechanic and engineer to get anything to work, but there are some real idiots out there.
I will say it once again, I have never lied in this forum. What purpose would that serve? I originally came here to share the love I felt from God. What happened was my faith got tested, and debating here actually helped define my faith. Atheists afterall are great bullshit detectors. Unfortunately too many people turned out to be just mean people, and I don't have time in my life for that. I see nothing has changed, and it even seems worse.

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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 79 (905867)
02-04-2023 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by ringo
02-04-2023 11:02 AM


I have never seen either one. Don't make assumptions about me
I stand by my assumption. If you did watch them, that would be your take on them. Plus unless you don't watch the news, then you probably are already influenced by their narratives. There aren't too many parent media corporations in the world, and the same bullshit gets broadcasted in every country. You can bet your global agenda on it.

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Message 49 of 79 (905870)
02-04-2023 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by AZPaul3
02-04-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Evidence Schmevidence
AZPaul3 writs:
You pretty much have to take the science for the reality it reveals or stay stupid. That's pretty much it.
There, in a nutshell, is the difference between belief or acceptance of the current body of facts.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Phat
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Message 50 of 79 (905875)
02-04-2023 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 1:43 PM


Re: typical
riVeRrat writes:
I will say it once again, I have never lied in this forum. What purpose would that serve? I originally came here to share the love I felt from God. What happened was my faith got tested, and debating here actually helped define my faith. Atheists afterall are great bullshit detectors. Unfortunately too many people turned out to be just mean people, and I don't have time in my life for that. I see nothing has changed, and it even seems worse.
It is worse because the world is getting worse. I am the mean guy here...the one whom everyone hates/disagrees with and dog piles me. Its OK, i accept the role that Faith once had. The reason I am so mean is because I'm human. I say things that most conservatives would never admit publicly.
I don't hate poor people, but I'll be damned if I will ever support a socialist agenda. I do believe that stuff in the Bible will happen. I think that China will let itself become more socialist and less communist as they become the global leader, and will in fact attempt to marry Western Capitalism. They have already stolen half our secrets and made them their own!! (and when I say "they" I mean the CCP) The handwriting is on the wall. The antichrist won't be Trump.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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riVeRraT
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Message 51 of 79 (905885)
02-04-2023 10:06 PM
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02-04-2023 2:28 PM


Re: typical
I don't know why you bother Phat. I was just accused of making assumptions, and in the same post rimgo was making assumptions about me. The hypocricy is at an all time high and I even heard a leftist say he was proud of being a hypocrite. I guess it makes sense then. It's the evolution of progressivism. Sad because I was a progressive at one time. Now it's just a mental disease.
The whole game of the left for the last couple years is to demonize someone so they can be their true evil selves and then attack you or try to cancel you. The funny part is that you almost never experience any of that in real life. The world is full of keyboard warriors.
If they can't accept the truth of science requiring faith, well then they can just keep living in their fantasy worlds. I put my faith in both God and science, but sometimes I don't trust science. I do trust the scientific method. The behaivor of people in here leads me to believe they don't trust the scientific method, or do they practice what they preach.

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Phat
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Message 52 of 79 (905902)
02-05-2023 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 10:06 PM


Rat Grapples With The Peanut Gallery
I have thick skin. I make only one basic assumption around here--that "they" will disagree with me. I expect it. It appears that you and GDR expect the peanut gallery to repent of their independent critical thinking conclusions and defect en masse to ...well, to wherever one would expect them to defect to. It will never happen, just as reparations will never happen. (Canada must have lost their mind on that one! Once you start down that slippery slope, you end up with mass social revolution! )
Maybe you should see what AI thinks. I used to play around with Cleverbot. At times, the AI answers cut through the bullshit known as bias that we humans are saddled with.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 53 of 79 (905926)
02-05-2023 1:05 PM


ChatGPT Chimes In
Percy Does god exist?
   
ChatGPT As an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions. The existence of a deity is a matter of faith and belief, and different people have different perspectives on this issue. Some believe in the existence of a god or gods, while others do not. There is no scientific evidence that definitively proves or disproves the existence of a deity.
--Percy

  
ringo
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Message 54 of 79 (905943)
02-05-2023 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 1:43 PM


Re: typical
riVeRraT writes:
Either you have a good memory, or you spent all night looking for an example.
The example is entirely from memory (which is not always 100% accurate).
riVeRraT writes:
... your example is absolutely not proof of me lying.
I don't believe in absolutes, which is why I said that you were EITHER a liar or a huge idiot. I am also open to additional options if you're worried about false dichotomies.
riVeRraT writes:
I will say it once again, I have never lied in this forum.
Do you understand why that claim is worthless?
riVeRraT writes:
What purpose would that serve?
Are you suggesting that nobody has ever lied? Because if other liars have had a purpose, then there is one or more purposes.
riVeRraT writes:
I originally came here to share the love I felt from God.
Good. You can have mine too - but it turned out not to be real.
riVeRraT writes:
Unfortunately too many people turned out to be just mean people...
I'm practically drowning in the love pouring off of you, too.
riVeRraT writes:
... and I don't have time in my life for that.
I sense a farewell and a bow coming on.
And after I went to the trouble of learning how to spell your name again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 55 of 79 (905944)
02-05-2023 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 1:49 PM


riVeRraT writes:
I stand by my assumption. If you did watch them, that would be your take on them.
You move the goalposts.
riVeRraT writes:
There aren't too many parent media corporations in the world, and the same bullshit gets broadcasted in every country.
Actually, no. The Canadian news networks don't broadcast much opinion.
But you go ahead with your conspiracy theories if that's what gives you comfort.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 56 of 79 (905945)
02-05-2023 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
02-04-2023 2:28 PM


Re: typical
Phat writes:
I don't hate poor people, but I'll be damned if I will ever support a socialist agenda.
You contradict yourself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 57 of 79 (905946)
02-05-2023 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
02-04-2023 10:06 PM


Re: typical
riVeRraT writes:
... I was a progressive at one time.
Thanks for getting off our side.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 58 of 79 (905947)
02-05-2023 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
02-05-2023 10:05 AM


Re: Rat Grapples With The Peanut Gallery
Phat writes:
reparations will never happen. (Canada must have lost their mind on that one! Once you start down that slippery slope, you end up with mass social revolution!
FUCK OFF, ASSHOLE!

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 59 of 79 (905956)
02-05-2023 3:35 PM
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02-05-2023 3:14 PM


Re: Rat Grapples With The Peanut Gallery
This is the strongest response I've ever seen from you. I hope I'm not crossing the line into attacking you personally.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 60 of 79 (905958)
02-05-2023 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Phat
02-05-2023 3:35 PM


Re: Rat Grapples With The Peanut Gallery
Phat writes:
I hope I'm not crossing the line into attacking you personally.
You attacked Canada. And in such a blatantly anti-Christian way. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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