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Tangle
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Message 22 of 153 (905842)
02-04-2023 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:35 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.
The great thing about places like this is that they help you learn stuff. But you haven't learnt anything from this simple point have you? So you'll repeat your mistake in a week or so.
Have you checked whether ringo is right? How would you do that?
Suppose you googled an answer and you found a source showing that on several measures the US is not the great place you thought it was compared to more "socialist" countries, how would you check the source and how would you make yourself not just forget answer? Could you change your mind? Is it possible for your mind to be changed by information contrary to your beliefs?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 30 of 153 (905861)
02-04-2023 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
So argue this point then. Can you make a a robust, reason-based argument against socialism?
And can you do it without first creating a straw man? Socialism isn't communism. On every occasion I've seen you pontificate about it you conflate the two. Here's a start
"Socialism and communism both place much value on creating a more equal society and removing class privilege. The biggest difference between them is that socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy, while communism depends on an authoritarian state to create an “equal society” that denies basic liberties"
Socialism vs. Communism - Definitions, Differences and Overview

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 32 of 153 (905872)
02-04-2023 2:11 PM
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02-04-2023 1:57 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
It's also a matter of degree and perception. I believe I live in a pleural society that works with a balance of socialist and capitalist principles. As does the US, it's just that one side does not wish to think it.
The balance swings in either direction but is not allowed to swing too far. Though under Trump it very nearly did.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 34 of 153 (905877)
02-04-2023 2:49 PM
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02-04-2023 2:15 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
We are just mad because we are resisting the inevitable contraction of being a onetime global empire. You guys experienced the same contraction after WW II. You never had a Trump but you did have a Margaret Thatcher. In addition, you accepted the United States as your heir. We will NEVER accept a Communist China as our successor. This could be why the world is a mess.
Re-read that mess and see if you can say why I might find problems with it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 37 of 153 (905920)
02-05-2023 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Phat
02-05-2023 10:32 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
So to be clear is your issue with Trump specifically
Oh I definitely have a very specific issue with Trump.
or with "the side that does not wish to think it"?
I have an issue with your right wingnuts that think they don't live is a socialist country. Of course they do! Just not as socialist as other countries. But more generally they, like you, think socialism is communism.
In defense of the side I am on, I will never accept any sort of government that prefers equality over freedom.
You can't have freedom without equality you dimwit. We've done this before. You've been hoodwinked by the rich. A poisoned American dream. There's some deep irony there. You keep yourself down because you want the chance to be individually rich. All very Christian.
Human nature will scuttle that boat every time.
And yet the most equal societies on earth are also the happiest. How do you explain that?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 91 of 153 (912447)
09-02-2023 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Phat
09-01-2023 9:48 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
Some of us fear a one world government without borders. You don't?
Well it's clear that you do but the question was what what would Jesus want - in fact, command - to be done about the gross inequalities in the world?
And why you think it ok to think he's wrong about it?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 93 of 153 (912451)
09-02-2023 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
09-02-2023 10:22 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
It's easy being a Christian if you you don't actually have to behave like a Christian.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 95 of 153 (912455)
09-02-2023 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
09-02-2023 10:22 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
Not to also drag this old thread off topic, but you DO realize what would happen if this world had no borders. Poor and hungry people would pour into our communities and we would be forced to help them. Do you honestly think that is what Jesus would want?
This is bugging me. Is it really what you think or is it just another shoot-from-hip thoughtless comment? I'm finding it difficult to understand how you can claim to be Christian and not at least understand his core teachings and what he stands for.
You tell us that god speaks to you, yet he never seems to tell you to do the things that seem to matter to him in your book. It's all a comfortable self-centred delusion isn't it?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 115 of 153 (912478)
09-06-2023 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Phat
09-04-2023 2:14 PM


Re: Fear Of Authority
Phat writes:
What bugs me about you is that you dont believe in Jesus and yet would be perfectly content to submit to a global authority and/or consensus to mandate cooperation from all of us.
Where did this global authority stuff come from? Some kind of apocalyptical conspiracy theory?
This is about you behaving like Christian. Doing what Jesus asks of you. None of you do it, but you're all happy to pray and talk to him. Funnny how he never tells you to help a few immigrants.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 149 of 153 (913412)
10-28-2023 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
10-28-2023 5:31 PM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
For what it's worth Phat, I don't think you hate. I think those accusations are rather cruel. You're just incredibly misguided and rather lost.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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