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Topic: Science requires faith, chat gtp agrees.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 16 of 79 (905790)
02-03-2023 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by ringo
02-03-2023 11:49 AM
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Bigger Fuse
ringo writes: You need a bigger fuse Only if I fully embrace skepticism, which is one of the reasons you tossed out the deities yet kept their message. Perhaps your Left Brain will save you. Your Right Brain is fried. Evidence Schmevidence! 
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 17 of 79 (905792)
02-03-2023 5:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-03-2023 4:54 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Lef brain/right brain is bullshit. Debunking the Left-Brain/Right-Brain Myth | Science of Learning.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9103 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.0
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Message 18 of 79 (905794)
02-03-2023 5:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-03-2023 4:54 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes: Only if I fully embrace skepticism I see you've abandoned your thinking skills course. That was fast even for you.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 19 of 79 (905795)
02-03-2023 7:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Theodoric
02-03-2023 5:07 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Interesting. I had the two sides mixed up anyway. Left=logical while Right =empathetic and creative. Your source seems to suggest that normal people use both sides and there is no division. The early research was done on people with a disconnect between the two sides.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat
Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 20 of 79 (905796)
02-03-2023 7:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Tangle
02-03-2023 5:59 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Tangle writes: see you've abandoned your thinking skills course. Nonsense. I have abandoned nothing. What I won't easily or readily (or willingly) do is abandon my inner certainty regarding my belief. I'm not as weak as the lot of you were.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 21 of 79 (905800)
02-03-2023 9:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
02-03-2023 7:04 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Are you disputing current research and knowledge?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 22 of 79 (905802)
02-03-2023 11:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Taq
02-03-2023 11:08 AM
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First off, I am not anti-vax. Secondly and specifically, the Covid-19 vaccine does zero to stop the spread and may even encourage stronger strains to evolve. Pfizer admits it also, so don't try to deny it. I had a severe reaction to my 1st shot that I voluntarily took. The politics surrounding what happened to me goes beyond science and makes it crystal clear to me that science has become people's god, and that the corruption behind the vaccine is the largest lie ever perpetrated on the earth. So yea, what do we do about all the misinformation?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 23 of 79 (905804)
02-03-2023 11:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
02-03-2023 11:10 AM
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Well yea, it gets it's information from raging liberals, but unlike a human it had to be truthful in it's repsonses, without being insulting like you.You are not a poster child for science.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 24 of 79 (905805)
02-03-2023 11:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by AZPaul3
02-03-2023 11:10 AM
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What in it's reposnses did you find flawed? I found a lot.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 25 of 79 (905806)
02-03-2023 11:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Stile
02-03-2023 11:21 AM
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In God we trust.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 26 of 79 (905807)
02-03-2023 11:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Theodoric
02-03-2023 11:22 AM
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Re: typical
I have never lied in this forum. Please provide a clear and concise example of me lying, or you are wrong.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 27 of 79 (905808)
02-03-2023 11:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
02-03-2023 11:54 AM
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No, in another conversation with it I tried to figure out where it gets it's information from. It considers CNN and valuable resource and Fox to be biased. You would be proud.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 118 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 28 of 79 (905810)
02-03-2023 11:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
02-03-2023 4:49 PM
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Re: Defund The Bots
Hey Phat! Still here lol? Yes I am Mod-it RC. I am having a conversation with chat gtp, and artificial intelligence language program. I just went with the answers. I was shocked when it gave the answer about taking drugs as I didn't prompt it to, but was going there eventually.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9103 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.0
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Message 29 of 79 (905817)
02-04-2023 2:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
02-03-2023 7:05 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes: Nonsense. I have abandoned nothing. What I won't easily or readily (or willingly) do is abandon my inner certainty regarding my belief. You can't hope to even begin a critical thinking course unless you're prepared to accept that you might be wrong about previously held beliefs and preconceived ideas. (This has nothing to do with your faith.) Yet again, you didn't answer my previous question - why your religious friends would think you mad to do this course? Edited by Tangle, .
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 34 by Phat, posted 02-04-2023 11:09 AM | | Tangle has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 30 of 79 (905821)
02-04-2023 10:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-03-2023 4:54 PM
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Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes: Only if I fully embrace skepticism...
I made a little joke and you respond with a rant. Any the joke wasn't evn directed at you. Of course YOU are also skeptical. When you come to an intersection, you don't take it on faith that there will be no other cars. You skeptically look both ways.
Phat writes: ... which is one of the reasons you tossed out the deities yet kept their message.
I kept THE message because it's a HUMAN message; it's OUR message, not "theirs". We don't need ANY deities to accept the message, let alone decide that one particular deity is right and all of the others are wrong.
Phat writes: Your Right Brain is fried.
My brain is fine, left, right, front, back, top, bottom, inside, outside. USING your brain won't fry it.
Paht writes: Evidence Schmevidence!
Yeah. You don't have to pretend to accept science any more. You might as well be a full-blown YEC.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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