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Topic: The Meaning Of The Trinity
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Phat
Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1096 of 1864 (905518)
01-29-2023 11:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 1095 by candle2
01-29-2023 10:25 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
To "sabbath" means to rest. If we meditate on Jesus(or as ringo would insist, the message) we are essentially sabbathing. There is no one day that is required. That is why scripture recommends we pray without ceasing. It is a continual meditative (and active) process. ringo would likely scold me were I not to mention the active part. To be Christlike means to be actively DOING as Christ would do.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat
Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1097 of 1864 (905519)
01-29-2023 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 1088 by candle2
01-26-2023 3:13 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle writes: Phat, any church that truly loves God, and that teaches God's truth, and that keep His Commandments; all ten of them, is God's church. So in essence, you share my belief that there is basically only One church.
John 1415 Jesus said "If you love me keep my
Commandments.
Notice Jesus said if you love *me*. Not if you love God. We(you and I) believe that Jesus is God, in that Jesus is Gods fleshly character...so in essence we are quibbling over semantics. ringo accuses me of throwing out the tough things that Jesus teaches, but im just being honest as to who I am and the fact that I have a fleshly side as well as a spiritual one.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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candle2
Member Posts: 850 Joined: 12-31-2018 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1098 of 1864 (905520)
01-29-2023 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1097 by Phat
01-29-2023 11:37 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, you rely on philosophy. Show me where Jesus said the 10 Commandments are no longer binding, or admit that you can't. But, don't try to pull my leg with this crap that your pastor is feeding you. Hebrews 9:16 "For where a Testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." 17. "For a Testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives." Understand that when the testator (in this case, Jesus) dies, nothing can be changed. Even the Apostles did not have the authority to make changes. The 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath was in effect when Christ died. They were His last Testament. Where does the NT say that the 10 Commandments are done away with. Show me where even one is done a way with!!!!!!!!!!!
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Phat
Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1099 of 1864 (905521)
01-29-2023 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 1098 by candle2
01-29-2023 12:02 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
But, don't try to pull my leg with this crap that your pastor
is feeding you. Unlike you, I dont follow the teachings of man. Though I have had several Pastors, a couple of them even good ones, I get my revelations straight from the book. Though my critics accuse me of being just another apologist, I could care less. There is nothing that you can teach me from your church that I dont already know anjd/or disagree with. I already know the concept that all of the law and prophets(prophecy) hang on the two commandments that Jesus said. I also know the concept that this in no way negates the other 8. Don't insult my intelligence.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 1100 of 1864 (905522)
01-29-2023 1:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1096 by Phat
01-29-2023 11:28 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Actually, the word has a more precise meaning. It means to rest or cease from labor. A subtle but important difference.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2
Member Posts: 850 Joined: 12-31-2018 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1101 of 1864 (905535)
01-29-2023 5:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1097 by Phat
01-29-2023 11:37 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, you believe that Jesus is God's fleshly character. I see two separate and distinct persons. They are now and have always been this way. While Jesus was on earth the Father was in heaven. While Jesus was dead (100% unconscious and completely unaware of anything) the Father was in heaven. Of the two separate and distinct Beings, Jesus was our Creator. And as such, His death was the only sacrifice that could pay our death penalty. The Father sits on His throne. The Son sits on His throne, at the Father's right hand. There in no one on the Father's left hand. This is because there is only two, not three. Fix this fact firmly in your mind. The 10 Commandments were written on stone by the God Being we know As Jesus, not the Father. Jesus, as the giver of the 10 Commandmemts, never recanted any of them. And as the Creator in Genesis, He is the God Being who sanctified the Sabbath.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1102 of 1864 (905550)
01-30-2023 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1095 by candle2
01-29-2023 10:25 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes: The other 8 Commandments are only possible for us to keep if we truly love God and our fellow humans.
You have it backwards. If we DO keep the commandments, it shows that we love our fellow humans (and that we would love God if He existed). By our fruits ye shall know us.
candle2 writes: Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away if we truly love others?
The rather obvious one is murder. Most people never murder. So your whole sermon is a bit iffy. Do you care to respond to anything I actually said?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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candle2
Member Posts: 850 Joined: 12-31-2018 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1103 of 1864 (905565)
01-30-2023 4:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 1089 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:43 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His 10 Commandments. You replied, "not we who believe in the trinity, or we who believe in this or that about the soul" Ringo, the Holy Bible does not say a thing about a trinity. In fact, the word trinity is not even in the Bible. But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternal life, then have at it. Convince me. Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, then tell us. If you can. Hint: don't think shoes. Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments. The Commandments are not binding. "We keep them for the love of God." God loves us whether we keep His Commandment or not. The Commandments are for us. The first four concerns our relationship with God. The last six directs us how to treat each other.
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candle2
Member Posts: 850 Joined: 12-31-2018 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 1104 of 1864 (905566)
01-30-2023 4:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1102 by ringo
01-30-2023 11:49 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder. You say that we can toss this Commandment away. Show us where God says this is acceptable.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1105 of 1864 (905567)
01-30-2023 6:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 1104 by candle2
01-30-2023 4:24 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes:
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder. You say that we can toss this Commandment away.
We can toss out the idea that we need commandments in a book to tell us that murder is immoral.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1106 of 1864 (905580)
01-30-2023 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 1104 by candle2
01-30-2023 4:24 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder. No, that is NOT what he said. Your reading comprehension is imbecilic. Do you make such egregious misstatements in your everyday life? Don't do it here.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1107 of 1864 (905582)
01-30-2023 11:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 1106 by AZPaul3
01-30-2023 9:42 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
No, that is NOT what he said. Your reading comprehension is imbecilic.
That's why no one would take his fucking word for what the bible says. He's a fucking moronic asshole.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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candle2
Member Posts: 850 Joined: 12-31-2018 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tanyptery, I don't want anyone to take my word for what the Bible does or doesn't say. I give chapter and verse for my assertions. I am sincere in what I do.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1109 of 1864 (905593)
01-31-2023 10:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 1108 by candle2
01-31-2023 8:27 AM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Candy, it's fiction, just like the lies you tell about liberals. You are a disgusting asshole.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1110 of 1864 (905595)
01-31-2023 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 1103 by candle2
01-30-2023 4:21 PM
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Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
candle2 writes: Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His 10 Commandments.
You have it backwards. It isn't become a member of God's church and THEN keep the commandments. It's keep the commandments and you ARE a member of God's church.
candle2 writes: But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternal life, then have at it. Convince me.
Nobody could convince you that water is wet. And if you read my posts, you would know that I DON'T believe in the Trinity. I don't believe in ANY of the members of the Trinity.
candle2 writes: Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, then tell us. If you can.
A "soul" is an imaginary concept, like a leprechaun or phlogiston.
candle2 writes: Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments. The Commandments are not binding. "We keep them for the love of God." God loves us whether we keep His Commandment or not.
You have a reading comprehension problem. I said WE keep the commandments because WE love God (and hence WE love humans). WE. I didn't say a word about whom or what God loves.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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