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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
GDR, after Jesus was resurrected He did not have a
physical body. He could walk right through walls. After coming from the tomb, Jesus told Mary Magdalene: John 20:17 "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended tomy father:" Jesus, while not in His glorious spiritual body, was not ina physical body. The Apostles were to be witnesses of His resurrection.They could not be witnesses if they were dead from seeing Him in all His glory. Remember in Exodus 33 when Jesus told Moses that noone could no see Him in all His glory and live? Jesus (as the Word) appeared to a number of men in theOT. But, He took on the body of a normal man. He can take on any body that He chooses. The doctrine that Jesus was resurrected into a physicalbody is nothing more than philosophical concept. It covers the fact that is our very life and not our punybody that we want to get back in the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannotinheritthe Kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruptible. Vs. 53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruptible,and this mortal must put on immortality. How anyone can read the entire chapter and notunderstand the the corruptible (flesh and blood) must put on the incorruptible (spirit body) is beyond me. When Christ returns and sets His Kingdom up on earthHe will still not at that time be in His fully glorified body. His brightness would destroy all who are still mortal.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, any church that truly loves God, and that
teaches God's truth, and that keep His Commandments; all ten of them, is God's church. Read what the NT has to say about God's Commandments. John 1415 Jesus said "If you love me keep myCommandments. John 15: 10 Jesus said "If you keep my Commandments,ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's Commandments, and abide in His love. 1 John 2:3-4 "And thereby we do know that we know him,if we keep His Commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keeps not HisCommandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 3:23-24 "....and love one another, as He gave usCommandments. And He that keeps His Commandments dwells in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abides in us, by theSpirit that He gave us." 1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep HisCommandments: and His Commandments are not grievous." Do, you believe that God's 10 Commandments are stillbinding?
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
GDR, Jesus could also drink and eat, but this was not
His glorious spiritual body. Decades after Jesus' resurrection the Apostle John wroteThis: 1John 3:2 "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and itdoes not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. John had seen Jesus after the resurrection, and he knewfor certain that the body Jesus was then in was not His Glorious body. When John wrote this he was a begotten Son of God, butnot yet a born son of God (born again). People misunderstand the concept of "born again." Those who are resurrected as born again sons of God arespirit beings. John describes those born again in John 3:3-8.They are invisible to mortal eyes. In Revelation 1, John, in a vision, saw the risen Christ. Vs.14-16 "His head and His hairs were white like wool, aswhite as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire; And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in afurnace; His voice as the sound of many waters. And He had in His right hand seven stars: and out of Hismouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength." His countenance (face) would have destroyed allwitnesses of His resurrection.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, love is what binds the 10 Commandments
together. Love for and from God is what gives us the motivation to respect and keep His laws. The two greatest Commandments are to "love the Lordthy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." "This is the first and great commandment." "And the second is like unto it, 'thou shall love thyneighbor as thyself." "On these two Commandments hang all the law andprophets." The other 8 Commandments are only possible for usto keep if we truly love God and our fellow humans. Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss awayif we truly love others? Can we steal from them? Lie to them? Commit adulteryagainst them? Which Commandments does God say it is now okay to continually break? Nine of the 10 Commandments are reiterated in the NT, invarious places. The 4th Commandment (keep the Sabbath) wasstrictly observed for all to see. There are several instances of the church meeting on theSabbath. Here are just two that involves the Gentiles: Acts 13: 42 "And when the Jews were gone out of thesynagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath." If the Sabbath had indeed been done away with, whydidn't Paul just tell them this? He could have easily told them that there was no needto wait until the next Sabbath; that he would preach to them the following day, which would be the first day of the week. Acts 13: 44 "And the next Sabbath Day came almost thewhole city to hear the word of God." There is no place in the NT where the Sabbath is said tono longer be in effect. Read Hebrews 8: 6-13. It plainly states that God's lawswill be put into our minds, and written in our hearts. This is the exact opposite of being done away with. For those in the first resurrection this will happen duringthis current age. For the vast majority of all who has ever lived this willoccur during the second resurrection.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, you rely on philosophy. Show me where Jesus said
the 10 Commandments are no longer binding, or admit that you can't. But, don't try to pull my leg with this crap that your pastoris feeding you. Hebrews 9:16 "For where a Testament is, there must alsoof necessity be the death of the testator." 17. "For a Testament is of force after men are dead:otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives." Understand that when the testator (in this case, Jesus)dies, nothing can be changed. Even the Apostles did not have the authority to make changes. The 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath was ineffect when Christ died. They were His last Testament. Where does the NT say that the 10 Commandmentsare done away with. Show me where even one is done a way with!!!!!!!!!!!
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, you believe that Jesus is God's fleshly character.
I see two separate and distinct persons. They are nowand have always been this way. While Jesus was on earth the Father was in heaven. WhileJesus was dead (100% unconscious and completely unaware of anything) the Father was in heaven. Of the two separate and distinct Beings, Jesus was ourCreator. And as such, His death was the only sacrifice that could pay our death penalty. The Father sits on His throne. The Son sits on His throne,at the Father's right hand. There in no one on the Father's left hand. This is becausethere is only two, not three. Fix this fact firmly in your mind. The 10 Commandmentswere written on stone by the God Being we know As Jesus, not the Father. Jesus, as the giver of the 10 Commandmemts, neverrecanted any of them. And as the Creator in Genesis, He is the God Being whosanctified the Sabbath.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His
10 Commandments. You replied, "not we who believe in the trinity, or we whobelieve in this or that about the soul" Ringo, the Holy Bible does not say a thing about atrinity. In fact, the word trinity is not even in the Bible. But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternallife, then have at it. Convince me. Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, thentell us. If you can. Hint: don't think shoes. Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments. The Commandments are not binding."We keep them for the love of God." God loves us whether we keep His Commandment ornot. The Commandments are for us. The first four concernsour relationship with God. The last six directs us how to treat each other.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder.
You say that we can toss this Commandment away. Show us where God says this is acceptable.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tanyptery, I don't want anyone to take my word for what
the Bible does or doesn't say. I give chapter and verse for my assertions. I am sincere in what I do.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, you say that I am usually wrong about my
interpretations of Bible passages. I am going to give you the opportunity to correct me. In Psalms 146: 4, David stated about those who die: "His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in thatvery day his thoughts perish." Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living knowthat they will die: but the dead know not anything." Tell us what this means, please. Also Solomon wrote in vs. 10 "Whatsoever thy hand findsto do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device (contrivance, reasoning, intelligence,...), nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave where thou goeth." What do these passages say about the dead?
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, just as I thought. You have no idea at all what
these verses mean. It doesn't really matter, though. I simply wanted to show how little you understand aboutthe Bible.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, what you want me to believe is that all who do not
come to Christ during their lifetime, including those who have never heard of Jesus, are doomed to hell forever? You want me to believe in a literal burning hell where thelost scream in pain for eternity, without any love and compassion from God? And, you want me to believe that a living God would dothis? You want me to believe if someone died and went toheaven at death that that person would be overcome with joy, while those left are grieving? You want me to believe that a single mom who is takento heaven can rejoice over her two young daughters being placed with relatives who abuse them? You want me to believe that God Is a combination ofthree beings. And that the one called the Holy Spirit is actually the Father of Jesus, but they pretend that God the Father is? Or that God is one being with three personalities? You want me to believe that God allows such enormouspain and suffering without there being an end-time benefit to it? Some of the biggest agnostics who have ever lived believedthese assertions Because of these beliefs they hated God. I used to believe these lies, and they never gave mecomfort. I would have killed God myself if I could have. It would be impossible to love God, if He were like this.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, it isn't thinking that concerns Christians.
Thinking is a good thing. I took two philosophy classes at Murray State. And, the circles and diagrams can be very beneficialfor teaching attorneys to make one think they said one thing while meaning the opposite. God tell His followers to prove everything. So you just go ahead and keep thinking.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3, you ask me if I have proved God.
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that He exists.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, I did answer it.
Now tell me. Why do you think that God owes you anything? Perhaps, if you were a little more humble when youpray to Him, considering that you do, He might open your eyes a little more. Do be afraid to tell Him exactly what is on your mind.But, be humble.
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