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Message 1087 of 1864 (905433)
01-26-2023 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1085 by GDR
01-25-2023 8:32 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
GDR, after Jesus was resurrected He did not have a
physical body. He could walk right through walls.
After coming from the tomb, Jesus told Mary Magdalene:
John 20:17 "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to
my father:"
Jesus, while not in His glorious spiritual body, was not in
a physical body.
The Apostles were to be witnesses of His resurrection.
They could not be witnesses if they were dead from
seeing Him in all His glory.
Remember in Exodus 33 when Jesus told Moses that no
one could no see Him in all His glory and live?
Jesus (as the Word) appeared to a number of men in the
OT. But, He took on the body of a normal man. He can
take on any body that He chooses.
The doctrine that Jesus was resurrected into a physical
body is nothing more than philosophical concept.
It covers the fact that is our very life and not our puny
body that we want to get back in the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:50
"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot
inheritthe Kingdom of God; neither does corruption
inherit incorruptible.
Vs. 53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruptible,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
How anyone can read the entire chapter and not
understand the the corruptible (flesh and blood)
must put on the incorruptible (spirit body) is beyond
me.
When Christ returns and sets His Kingdom up on earth
He will still not at that time be in His fully glorified body.
His brightness would destroy all who are still mortal.

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Message 1088 of 1864 (905440)
01-26-2023 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by Phat
01-26-2023 11:58 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, any church that truly loves God, and that
teaches God's truth, and that keep His
Commandments; all ten of them, is God's church.
Read what the NT has to say about God's Commandments.
John 1415 Jesus said "If you love me keep my
Commandments.
John 15: 10 Jesus said "If you keep my Commandments,
ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's
Commandments, and abide in His love.
1 John 2:3-4 "And thereby we do know that we know him,
if we keep His Commandments.
He that saith, I know Him, and keeps not His
Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1 John 3:23-24 "....and love one another, as He gave us
Commandments. And He that keeps His Commandments
dwells in Him, and He in him.
And hereby we know that He abides in us, by the
Spirit that He gave us."
1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep His
Commandments: and His Commandments are not
grievous."
Do, you believe that God's 10 Commandments are still
binding?

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Message 1093 of 1864 (905502)
01-28-2023 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1090 by GDR
01-27-2023 5:47 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
GDR, Jesus could also drink and eat, but this was not
His glorious spiritual body.
Decades after Jesus' resurrection the Apostle John wrote
This:
1John 3:2 "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it
does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall
see Him as He is.
John had seen Jesus after the resurrection, and he knew
for certain that the body Jesus was then in was not His
Glorious body.
When John wrote this he was a begotten Son of God, but
not yet a born son of God (born again).
People misunderstand the concept of "born again."
Those who are resurrected as born again sons of God are
spirit beings.
John describes those born again in John 3:3-8.
They are invisible to mortal eyes.
In Revelation 1, John, in a vision, saw the risen Christ.
Vs.14-16 "His head and His hairs were white like wool, as
white as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire;
And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a
furnace; His voice as the sound of many waters.
And He had in His right hand seven stars: and out of His
mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and His
countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
His countenance (face) would have destroyed all
witnesses of His resurrection.

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Message 1095 of 1864 (905517)
01-29-2023 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1089 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:43 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, love is what binds the 10 Commandments
together. Love for and from God is what gives us the
motivation to respect and keep His laws.
The two greatest Commandments are to "love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with
all thy mind."
"This is the first and great commandment."
"And the second is like unto it, 'thou shall love thy
neighbor as thyself."
"On these two Commandments hang all the law and
prophets."
The other 8 Commandments are only possible for us
to keep if we truly love God and our fellow humans.
Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away
if we truly love others?
Can we steal from them? Lie to them? Commit adultery
against them? Which Commandments does God say it
is now okay to continually break?
Nine of the 10 Commandments are reiterated in the NT, in
various places.
The 4th Commandment (keep the Sabbath) was
strictly observed for all to see.
There are several instances of the church meeting on the
Sabbath.
Here are just two that involves the Gentiles:
Acts 13: 42 "And when the Jews were gone out of the
synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
If the Sabbath had indeed been done away with, why
didn't Paul just tell them this?
He could have easily told them that there was no need
to wait until the next Sabbath; that he would preach to
them the following day, which would be the first day of
the week.
Acts 13: 44 "And the next Sabbath Day came almost the
whole city to hear the word of God."
There is no place in the NT where the Sabbath is said to
no longer be in effect.
Read Hebrews 8: 6-13. It plainly states that God's laws
will be put into our minds, and written in our hearts.
This is the exact opposite of being done away with.
For those in the first resurrection this will happen during
this current age.
For the vast majority of all who has ever lived this will
occur during the second resurrection.

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Message 1098 of 1864 (905520)
01-29-2023 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Phat
01-29-2023 11:37 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, you rely on philosophy. Show me where Jesus said
the 10 Commandments are no longer binding, or admit
that you can't.
But, don't try to pull my leg with this crap that your pastor
is feeding you.
Hebrews 9:16 "For where a Testament is, there must also
of necessity be the death of the testator."
17. "For a Testament is of force after men are dead:
otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator
lives."
Understand that when the testator (in this case, Jesus)
dies, nothing can be changed. Even the Apostles did not
have the authority to make changes.
The 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath was in
effect when Christ died. They were His last Testament.
Where does the NT say that the 10 Commandments
are done away with.
Show me where even one is done a way with!!!!!!!!!!!

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Message 1101 of 1864 (905535)
01-29-2023 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Phat
01-29-2023 11:37 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, you believe that Jesus is God's fleshly character.
I see two separate and distinct persons. They are now
and have always been this way.
While Jesus was on earth the Father was in heaven. While
Jesus was dead (100% unconscious and completely
unaware of anything) the Father was in heaven.
Of the two separate and distinct Beings, Jesus was our
Creator. And as such, His death was the only sacrifice
that could pay our death penalty.
The Father sits on His throne. The Son sits on His throne,
at the Father's right hand.
There in no one on the Father's left hand. This is because
there is only two, not three.
Fix this fact firmly in your mind. The 10 Commandments
were written on stone by the God Being we know As
Jesus, not the Father.
Jesus, as the giver of the 10 Commandmemts, never
recanted any of them.
And as the Creator in Genesis, He is the God Being who
sanctified the Sabbath.

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Message 1103 of 1864 (905565)
01-30-2023 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1089 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:43 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, I wrote that God's Church would keep His
10 Commandments.
You replied, "not we who believe in the trinity, or we who
believe in this or that about the soul"
Ringo, the Holy Bible does not say a thing about a
trinity. In fact, the word trinity is not even in the Bible.
But, if you think this belief is a requirement for eternal
life, then have at it. Convince me.
Also, if you have any idea what a soul actually is, then
tell us. If you can.
Hint: don't think shoes.
Also, you replied, concerning the 10 Commandments.
The Commandments are not binding.
"We keep them for the love of God."
God loves us whether we keep His Commandment or
not.
The Commandments are for us. The first four concerns
our relationship with God. The last six directs us how to
treat each other.

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Message 1104 of 1864 (905566)
01-30-2023 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1102 by ringo
01-30-2023 11:49 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, you say that it is now acceptable to murder.
You say that we can toss this Commandment away.
Show us where God says this is acceptable.

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Message 1108 of 1864 (905587)
01-31-2023 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1107 by Tanypteryx
01-30-2023 11:01 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tanyptery, I don't want anyone to take my word for what
the Bible does or doesn't say.
I give chapter and verse for my assertions.
I am sincere in what I do.

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Message 1113 of 1864 (905602)
01-31-2023 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1112 by ringo
01-31-2023 11:12 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, you say that I am usually wrong about my
interpretations of Bible passages.
I am going to give you the opportunity to correct me.
In Psalms 146: 4, David stated about those who die:
"His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that
very day his thoughts perish."
Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know
that they will die: but the dead know not anything."
Tell us what this means, please.
Also Solomon wrote in vs. 10 "Whatsoever thy hand finds
to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device
(contrivance, reasoning, intelligence,...), nor knowledge,
nor wisdom, in the grave where thou goeth."
What do these passages say about the dead?

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Message 1115 of 1864 (905608)
01-31-2023 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1114 by ringo
01-31-2023 12:25 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Ringo, just as I thought. You have no idea at all what
these verses mean.
It doesn't really matter, though.
I simply wanted to show how little you understand about
the Bible.

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Message 1118 of 1864 (905612)
01-31-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1117 by Phat
01-31-2023 2:27 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Phat, what you want me to believe is that all who do not
come to Christ during their lifetime, including those who
have never heard of Jesus, are doomed to hell forever?
You want me to believe in a literal burning hell where the
lost scream in pain for eternity, without any love and
compassion from God?
And, you want me to believe that a living God would do
this?
You want me to believe if someone died and went to
heaven at death that that person would be overcome
with joy, while those left are grieving?
You want me to believe that a single mom who is taken
to heaven can rejoice over her two young daughters being
placed with relatives who abuse them?
You want me to believe that God Is a combination of
three beings. And that the one called the Holy Spirit is
actually the Father of Jesus, but they pretend that God
the Father is?
Or that God is one being with three personalities?
You want me to believe that God allows such enormous
pain and suffering without there being an end-time benefit
to it?
Some of the biggest agnostics who have ever lived believed
these assertions
Because of these beliefs they hated God.
I used to believe these lies, and they never gave me
comfort. I would have killed God myself if I could have.
It would be impossible to love God, if He were like this.

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Message 1122 of 1864 (905616)
01-31-2023 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1119 by Tangle
01-31-2023 3:44 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tangle, it isn't thinking that concerns Christians.
Thinking is a good thing.
I took two philosophy classes at Murray State.
And, the circles and diagrams can be very beneficial
for teaching attorneys to make one think they said one
thing while meaning the opposite.
God tell His followers to prove everything.
So you just go ahead and keep thinking.

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Message 1126 of 1864 (905620)
01-31-2023 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1123 by AZPaul3
01-31-2023 4:38 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
AZPaul3, you ask me if I have proved God.
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that He exists.

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Message 1127 of 1864 (905621)
01-31-2023 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1125 by Tangle
01-31-2023 5:15 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Tangle, I did answer it.
Now tell me.
Why do you think that God owes you anything?
Perhaps, if you were a little more humble when you
pray to Him, considering that you do, He might open
your eyes a little more.
Do be afraid to tell Him exactly what is on your mind.
But, be humble.

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