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Author Topic:   Absence of Evidence
Taq
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Message 19 of 39 (905419)
01-26-2023 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
01-15-2023 12:51 PM


Tangle writes:
The phrase "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" has always bugged me. We throw it around all the time but I'm not sure we're using it correctly.
In isolation, that phrase is really useless. What we should be focusing on is the burden of proof and the processes by which induction and deduction work. In other words, positive claims require positive evidence, not simply a lack of evidence for other claims.
When it does apply is when we've not actually looked for the evidence or not looked properly, then it's simply an argument from ignorance.
How would you know if you have not looked properly? That's the problem.
Personally, I find the lack of evidence for an interventionist god where we should find such evidence - such as payer works, miracles happen, god changes the bread and wine into his body and blood at the eucharist, god loves me etc - actually is evidence founded on absence.
The burden of proof lies with those who claim divine intervention occurs. Their inability to supply this evidence is a good reason to tentatively reject their claims.

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Message 33 of 39 (905462)
01-27-2023 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Phat
01-27-2023 9:39 AM


Re: Can I Get A Witness?
Phat writes:
The course lasts 1 month. I start today.
I'm skeptical.

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Message 37 of 39 (905474)
01-27-2023 4:11 PM
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01-27-2023 3:06 PM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
Phat writes:
I'm determined to finish this course(at least the free version) even though I must admit it gives me mild anxiety. The lessons sound like the peanut gallery already took it!
If we use driving as an analogy for skepticism, then yes, we already have years of experience behind the wheel. It looks like you are signing up for driver's ed.
The vast majority of atheists are skeptics at heart, and the one of the first people we became skeptical while on that path was ourselves. Most of us think it is more important to not be wrong than it is to be right. That requires some self reflection and doubt, something that isn't as common amongst believers.

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