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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Nonsense. If you understand your own definition you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. If YOU understood mathematics at all, what I am talking about is YOUR mistaken impression that mammals evoled from fish. I am telling you that mammals and fish evolved from a common ancestor. Mammals and fish are cousins. Fish are not the ancestors of mammals. Do you understand the difference between a grandparent and a cousin? None of this has anything to do with drug resistance or cancer treatments. You are nowhere near able to understand those.
Kleinman writes:
You have no basis to talk about probability theory.
you would need to understand some introductory probability theory. Kleinman writes:
You understand nothing. I understand you are too busy with your Sharon Stone fetish.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Of course, your understanding of your own definitions is nonsense. That's why you think you are related to fecal bacteria. Did you know your relatives evolve resistance to antibiotics?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
No. Everybody understands my definitions except YOU.
Of course, your understanding of your own definitions is nonsense. Kleinman writes:
WE (including YOU) are related to fecal bacteria and to fish and to reptiles and to birds and to cows and to pigs and to all living things. This has been known ever since Linnaeus classified them in the 1700s and it has more recently been confirmed by DNA.
That's why you think you are related to fecal bacteria. Kleinman writes:
There's no point in going into any depth with you until you understand the difference between relatives and ancestors. Your cousin is not your grandfather. Did you know your relatives evolve resistance to antibiotics?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You are already in way over your head, even when you are wearing your 10-gallon hat. You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists.
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists. Yeah they can. Drug resistance is driven by mutation and selection - as are all evolutionary processes. Have a read of this article, which explains it in some depth: Controlling the Evolution of Resistance - PMCCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Kleinman writes: This seems to suggest that *you* can and have....trumpeting your own horn as it were. I would find it a bit presumptuous to place my own scholarly acumen as being superior to most biologists. You can't explain the evolution of drug resistance but neither can biologists. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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I would find it a bit presumptuous to place my own scholarly acumen as being superior to most biologists. He's a creationist. That's what creationists do, especially the creationists who have no clue what they are talking about.
Dunning-Kruger on steroids!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Neither you nor the authors of your link understand the effect of the multiplication rule of probabilities on biological evolution. If you think I'm wrong, apply their math to the Kishony experiment and show how it works. After all, that experiment demonstrates the evolution of drug resistance.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I know how to do a simple probability problem and apply the multiplication rule to compute joint probabilities such as occurs with descent with modification and random recombination. Biologists have failed to do this simple math, no matter how you want to frame this discussion.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Phat:dwise1 still can't explain the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. dwise1 gets his clues from people that don't understand biological evolution.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I know how to do a simple probability problem and apply the multiplication rule to compute joint probabilities such as occurs with descent with modification and random recombination. You're still the same stupid idiot! You're so stupid that you will never be able to learn anything! You're too stupid to be able to realize how stupid you are! That is why everybody (except for a couple of your clueless fellow creationists) is rolling on the floor laughing at you! (ROFL) Yet again with that stupid boast you proclaim to the world how abjectly ignorant you are of evolution and how to apply mathematics to solving an actual problem. You may know how to perform the calculations to multiply two probabilities together, but since you have no clue how evolution works then you are unable to apply your arithmetic skills to solving actual problems -- HINT: the secret is in how you set up the problem, which involves producing a correct math model (math models being something that you have opposed here). You're nothing more than a little kid who knows his multiplication tables and is so very proud of it that he keeps going up to strangers to brag about being such a genius even though has absolutely no clue how to apply his arithmetic skills to an actual problem (word problems completely baffle him, so he stubbornly pretends that they do not exist). You do not know evolution works, so you do not know how to apply probability to evolution. You do not understand that "A → B and A → C are not the same as B →C (ringo's repeated question to you that you refuse to respond to because you do not know the answer nor even understand the question (which yet again demonstrates how stupid an idiot you are), you do not understand that your grandparents are not your cousins, you do not understand that sexual reproduction is different from asexual reproduction, etc. You are nothing but a fucking idiot and you will always be nothing but a fucking idiot. To quote Marcus Lycus to you yet again about his slave who won't ever do anything to try to improve himself:
quote: You'll never learn. You'll be nothing but a stupid creationist all your life. Laughed at and scorned for your stupidity everywhere you go -- except when you slink into the darkness of fellow creationists, all of you fearful of the clear and bright gaze of normals. There is a bit of wisdom that you should learn and follow (Ha! Fat chance of that!). Here it is:
quote: That is usually attributed to either Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain, though it seems to have been derived from Proverbs 17:28:
quote: But you'll never learn. You're an idiot and you will remain an idiot all your life. Edited by dwise1, : cleaned up quote tags
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
dwise1 gets his clues from people that don't understand biological evolution. No, rather that would be you. I get my clues from a network of disciplines which you sadly do not understand (including how to apply probability). That includes biology and biologists, who are the ones who study biological evolution and hence understand it. They (and I) even understand ringo's question: "A → B and A → C are not the same as B →C . We understand not only that that is true, but we also understand why that is true; to you that (ie, that that is true and why) will always remain a mystery because you are too stupid to even try to understand it. Please try to break your vicious cycle by trying to learn something. At the very least learn about the Dunning-Kruger effect for which you are the poster child. Since you will never follow that link out of fear of learning something, basically the Dunning-Kruger effect explains how stupid people fool themselves into thinking that they are experts in a subject that they know nothing about. Furthermore, they think that their delusional "expertise" far surpasses the actual expertise of the actual experts. And they are too stupid to even begin to realize the sheer idiocy of what they're doing. That is you.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:dwise1 still can't do the mathematics of for the Kishony and Lenski biological evolution experiments. Your C++ programming skills are failing you. Perhaps if you studied C+++ programming you could explain these experiments and how the multiplication rule causes these evolutionary processes to take a billion replications for each adaptive step.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
And yet again LittleMan declares what a stupid idiot he is.
1671 messages posted and each and every one of them completely content-free. Except for his testimonial of what a completely clueless idiot and troll he is. What an idiot!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:dwise1 still doesn't understand descent with modification and how the multiplication rule affects this process. dwise1 needs a clue, mutations are random. Try writing a C++ program that computes the joint probability of two or more adaptive mutations occurring on some member of a lineage. Then you might be able to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenksi biological evolutionary experiments and explain how drug resistance evolves.
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