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Taq
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Message 496 of 529 (905369)
01-24-2023 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Phat
01-24-2023 5:42 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
And it will be hard to get China to pay
To pay for what????? To pay their government workers? To pay for their military? What are you talking about?

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Phat
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Message 497 of 529 (905371)
01-24-2023 6:09 PM
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01-24-2023 5:50 PM


Re: Conversations
To pay by stopping coal burning and polluting as if they were the early United States x 2
What good does it do us to pay out the nose to go green when other major countries still burn coal and pollute? We are suffering in vain.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 498 of 529 (905372)
01-24-2023 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Phat
01-24-2023 6:09 PM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
To pay by stopping coal burning and polluting as if they were the early United States x 2
Your use of words are completely backwards.
What good does it do us to pay out the nose to go green when other major countries still burn coal and pollute?
It's called "being an example for others to follow". It's called "doing our part".
It's also worth mentioning that China leads the world in green energy production.
quote:
Today, China is a veritable green power. It leads the world in renewable energy production figures and is the world’s largest producer of wind and solar energy, as well as the largest domestic and outbound investor in renewable energy.
https://fairbank.fas.harvard.edu/...-clean-energy-technology
Added in edt:
It is also worth mentioning that America release twice as much carbon per capita as China does.
CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

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Message 499 of 529 (905373)
01-24-2023 7:05 PM
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01-24-2023 5:41 PM


Re: Conversations
We can make the billionaires pay. What are we going to do tax a single mom that makes $20k even more? We double all of their taxes and won't amount to taxing the top 1% a couple more % points.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 500 of 529 (905374)
01-24-2023 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Phat
01-24-2023 6:09 PM


Re: Conversations
What good does it do us to pay out the nose to go green when other major countries still burn coal and pollute? We are suffering in vain.
right, why solve any problem if we cant solve all the problems. After all as Jesus was fond of saying "fuck you I got mine"

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Phat
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Message 501 of 529 (905376)
01-25-2023 8:36 AM
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01-24-2023 7:41 PM


Re: Conversations
Dr.(Not An Actual Doctor) Jones writes:
why solve any problem if we cant solve all the problems.
Because its not the job of Americas working/middle class to pay this whole expense of going green. Many working people cant afford an electric car. Besides, our government has no right to be so Draconian Authoritarian on the insistence that we *all* switch. This issue will end up biting Biden in the Butt come election time.
why solve any problem if we cant solve all the problems.
The government is not in the mandatory morality business. Lest any of you tree hugging humanists disagree, you will see the groundswell of opposition to such authority. You dont speak for Jesus since you don't even think He exists. Your feeble attempt at secularizing "Christian" morality is going to fail.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 502 of 529 (905383)
01-25-2023 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Phat
01-25-2023 8:36 AM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
Because its not the job of Americas working/middle class to pay this whole expense of going green.
It's the job of all Americans.
Many working people cant afford an electric car.
There are electric cars that are the same price as ICE cars.
Besides, our government has no right to be so Draconian Authoritarian on the insistence that we *all* switch.
You still don't understand what authoritarian means.
This issue will end up biting Biden in the Butt come election time.
Last I checked, Biden has never made electric cars mandatory.
The government is not in the mandatory morality business.
Then what the fuck do you think laws are??????
You dont speak for Jesus since you don't even think He exists. Your feeble attempt at secularizing "Christian" morality is going to fail.
You don't have to believe in Jesus in order to see how far short Christians fall of the commandments given by the New Testament.

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Theodoric
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Message 503 of 529 (905386)
01-25-2023 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
01-20-2023 12:42 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
This Ted Cruz?
Cruz: The FBI Should Raid Biden's And Hunter's Home, But Not Pence's | Crooks and Liars

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 504 of 529 (905392)
01-25-2023 5:28 PM
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01-25-2023 12:22 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Ted has his biases, that's for sure!
From what i've seen, all politicians and commentators are biased in favor of their own ideology, however.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 505 of 529 (905393)
01-25-2023 6:40 PM
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01-25-2023 5:28 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Cruz is an amoral liar. As shown by his comments about Biden and Pence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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DrJones*
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Message 506 of 529 (905398)
01-25-2023 8:36 PM
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01-25-2023 8:36 AM


Re: Conversations
Because its not the job of Americas working/middle class to pay this whole expense of going green.
so tax the rich
Many working people cant afford an electric car.
as more EV come on the market the prices will drop, nobody is mandating we go straight electric tomorrow.
Besides, our government has no right to be so Draconian Authoritarian on the insistence that we *all* switch.
fuck you're an idiot. Authoritarian does not just mean "something i don't agree with". Passing laws is a necessary function of the government.
You dont speak for Jesus since you don't even think He exists.
again with this stupidity. I don't need to believe in jesus to see that while you claim to follow his teachings your words are in opposition to them. I don't have to be a christian to see that you're a hypocrite.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Phat
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Message 507 of 529 (905409)
01-26-2023 7:50 AM
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01-25-2023 8:36 PM


Re: Conversations
Passing laws is a necessary function of the government.
Hence why we have such political division in this country. Neither side approves of the laws suggested by the other side. There is a large chasm between the ideologies.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 508 of 529 (905421)
01-26-2023 11:20 AM
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01-26-2023 7:50 AM


Re: Conversations
Phat writes:
Hence why we have such political division in this country. Neither side approves of the laws suggested by the other side.
Disagreeing with a law does not make it authoritarian. What we are seeing is more than disapproval. It is a lack of honesty about what the laws are, what authoritarianism is, and what laws people are proposing.

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Message 509 of 529 (905453)
01-26-2023 9:59 PM
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01-26-2023 7:50 AM


Re: Conversations
Neither side approves of the laws suggested by the other side
that doesn't make them authoritarian

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Message 510 of 529 (905460)
01-27-2023 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by Phat
01-24-2023 2:37 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Phat writes:
Ted Cruz dismantles a Biden nominee once again.
Tell us how.
Phat writes:
this whole gender identity pickle that the liberals seem to embrace
You have it backwards. Conservatives have created a "gender identity pickle" where there is no reason for it to exist. What business is it of yours how somebody else identifies themselves? Why do you even need to mention it? Why does Ted Cruz even have an opinion on the subject?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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