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Phat
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Message 475 of 530 (905251)
01-20-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by Taq
01-20-2023 5:35 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
What's your point?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 480 of 530 (905260)
01-21-2023 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by Theodoric
01-20-2023 11:52 PM


Re: Conversations
AOC may be educated but her socialist leaning policies are hardly expertise. Cruz may be the son of immigrants but he has every right to tough opinions on immigration. What you and Damselfly fail to grasp is the necessity of a two party system to preserve nationalism and prevent social democratic globalism from defining the destiny and meaning of our Republic.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 484 of 530 (905352)
01-24-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by ringo
01-22-2023 2:29 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Ted Cruz dismantles a Biden nominee once again.
I wont reconfigure my hair like Trump anytime soon but I do like Ted Cruz in his approach to this whole gender identity pickle that the liberals seem to embrace (largely due to the additional votes it will bring in)

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 485 of 530 (905354)
01-24-2023 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by ringo
01-22-2023 2:27 PM


Re: Conversations
ringo writes:
Children of immigrants do have a right to stupid opinions. We don't need to look stupid by defending them.
Perhaps, but you owe it to yourselves to at least hear the arguments before criticizing them.
1. A two-party system does not necessarily preserve nationalism.
True.
2. Nationalism is not necessarily a good thing.
Nor is globalism necessarily a good thing.
3. A two-party system does not necessarily prevent globalism.
True. It was initially George HW Bush who proposed a "New World Order".
4. Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing.
It is if it runs over the US middle class.
5. Get more parties.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 488 of 530 (905359)
01-24-2023 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by NosyNed
01-24-2023 2:48 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
It seems to me that even if we *have to* get off fossil fuels (oil, gas, and coal) we cant make the transition as quickly as we would like. This will be yet another way for the middle class to get handed the bill for the transition and it will gut us in the process. Some compromise must be reached regarding the length of the transitional timeline. We are not simply going to suffer in order to be the heroes that save the planet. The entire world must share the bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 489 of 530 (905360)
01-24-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Taq
01-24-2023 3:09 PM


Re: Conversations
Taq writes:
If you think inflation is bad now, try manufacturing all of our goods in the US.
Noted. But we cant expect the US middle class to pay the global bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 491 of 530 (905363)
01-24-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Taq
01-24-2023 3:30 PM


Re: Conversations
Then you agree with me that the entire world must share the bill.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 494 of 530 (905367)
01-24-2023 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by Theodoric
01-24-2023 4:25 PM


Re: Conversations
the problem is that we will never get the billionaires to pay...and thus the bill trickles down to the midddle class...YOUR and MY class. Why cant everyone pay?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 495 of 530 (905368)
01-24-2023 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by Taq
01-24-2023 4:04 PM


Re: Conversations
And it will be hard to get China to pay, though they are becoming the largest polluter

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 497 of 530 (905371)
01-24-2023 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by Taq
01-24-2023 5:50 PM


Re: Conversations
To pay by stopping coal burning and polluting as if they were the early United States x 2
What good does it do us to pay out the nose to go green when other major countries still burn coal and pollute? We are suffering in vain.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 501 of 530 (905376)
01-25-2023 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by DrJones*
01-24-2023 7:41 PM


Re: Conversations
Dr.(Not An Actual Doctor) Jones writes:
why solve any problem if we cant solve all the problems.
Because its not the job of Americas working/middle class to pay this whole expense of going green. Many working people cant afford an electric car. Besides, our government has no right to be so Draconian Authoritarian on the insistence that we *all* switch. This issue will end up biting Biden in the Butt come election time.
why solve any problem if we cant solve all the problems.
The government is not in the mandatory morality business. Lest any of you tree hugging humanists disagree, you will see the groundswell of opposition to such authority. You dont speak for Jesus since you don't even think He exists. Your feeble attempt at secularizing "Christian" morality is going to fail.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 504 of 530 (905392)
01-25-2023 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Theodoric
01-25-2023 12:22 PM


Re: Conersations With Ted (Cruz)
Ted has his biases, that's for sure!
From what i've seen, all politicians and commentators are biased in favor of their own ideology, however.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 507 of 530 (905409)
01-26-2023 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 506 by DrJones*
01-25-2023 8:36 PM


Re: Conversations
Passing laws is a necessary function of the government.
Hence why we have such political division in this country. Neither side approves of the laws suggested by the other side. There is a large chasm between the ideologies.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 515 of 530 (905523)
01-29-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by ringo
01-27-2023 10:58 AM


Authoritarianism:What Phat Means
Upon rereading recent posts from many of you, I see where we all disagree on what I mean by authoritarianism. To elaborate:
Websters writes:
2
: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people
an authoritarian regime
The reason that I see Democrats as authoritarian is because the elite within the party are becoming less for Americans (a far as favor towards) and seem to ignore constitutional responsibilities in favor of global responsibilities. Of, by and for the people refers to citizens of the US first rather than global citizens. Just as a man would feed his family before he fed the guys at the park.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 516 of 530 (905524)
01-29-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by ringo
01-27-2023 11:17 AM


Conversations with ringo:Liberal idealist
ringo writes:
" Mein Trumpf.
"
Heil Orange? lol
Liberalism, on the other hand, is an ideal.
It sure is. As I said before, feed your family before the guys at the park. And don't just give them (your family) crumbs while feeding the hobo's loaves of bread. Perhaps I do think more of myself than I do my neighbor. Perhaps Jesus would not approve, I dunno. Does He expect me to remain poor simply to pay off the bill and bring everybody (even globally) up into my neighborhood? Is that what He means when He suggests that I deny myself?? Sometimes, Sasquatch, you play the role of BigFeet.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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